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- May 2, 2024 at 09:17 #1692466
Witch Hunter 50/1
Track suits
Played late, take advantage of any going hard too soon.
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May 2, 2024 at 09:43 #1692470Big rock will destroy them if the ground is soft
But will it be?
May 2, 2024 at 11:32 #1692479Big question with Big Rock is will he be as good for his new trainer even if soft, FF?

If a sound surface Inspiral will be favourite if coming here. She’s had her reappearance put back in her last two seasons, Maybe she’s not as good in the Spring? That said, the Gosdens do seem in better form this season than recent years.
The one I’ve gone for ante-post though is Poker Face. Charyn beat him in the Bet365 Mile but probably had fitness advantage. Poker Face looked to be going best entering the final furlong and imo needed the race. If looking at his 2023 races in France, has found plenty for pressure. Also less ground dependent than Charyn. Steadily progressive, he wouldn’t be good enough to beat an on song Black Rock or Inspiral, but there are enough doubts about that pair.
Good luck with Witch Hunter, Nathan. May have Newbury form but little else. The Hungerford form not really up to Group 2 level. Chindit was third in that, but he’s better at a mile than 7f so didn’t run to form… And Witch Hunter’s form is better at 7f than a mile. A horse that’s always dropped out the back can be advantaged if they go too strong a pace, but the trouble with Witch Hunter is a strong pace at a mile will mean more stamina is needed… And if a slow pace favoured his speed then he will be at a positional disadvantage.
Value Is EverythingMay 2, 2024 at 12:59 #1692481I’d agree with that Ginge…
Bound to be more negatives hence the 50/1
He was 4 lengths behind Charyn and your pick Poker Face and would have definitely needed the run
His form doesn’t scream much but he has improved each yearCharles Darwin to conquer the World
May 2, 2024 at 13:49 #1692485Fair points, Nathan. Personally I’d need 200/1. Good luck.
Value Is EverythingMay 10, 2024 at 15:42 #1693728Witch Hunter running at Haydock tomorrow…
Wonder if Hannon is using it as another piece of work or has been reading what Ginger has written about him.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
May 11, 2024 at 20:11 #1693982Not cashed out..😂
Think a mile maybe what Witch Hunter could do with.
Agree he’s a little or more out of his depth at this level and probably won’t run here after todayCharles Darwin to conquer the World
May 13, 2024 at 14:20 #1694234Big rock 5/2
Let the rain dance commence
May 16, 2024 at 20:10 #1694536I’ll stay on the side of CHARYN, he’s performed well on rain softened ground but his best performances previous to 2024 were arguably on better ground when unlucky in the Irish 1000 and staying on strongly at Royal Ascot. 2 runs here have been good in the Greenham and Mill Reef so yeah. I think he’ll drift out a little from 9/2 so I’ll have a bit on now and see later.
CHARYN 9/2
May 16, 2024 at 21:02 #1694541Charyn is showing as a good 4yo and is my selection.
The more I know the less I understand.
May 16, 2024 at 22:30 #1694550Poker Face with a saver on Big Rock for me.
Value Is EverythingMay 17, 2024 at 14:45 #1694600Can see big rock drifting tomorrow
The rain doesn’t seem to have materialised
May 17, 2024 at 15:30 #1694606The ground drying up
will favour the speed horse played late…
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
May 17, 2024 at 16:40 #1694616Assuming Audience (same ownership and stable as Inspiral) is in the race to make the pace especially being that he has never raced over further 7F and we now know that Inspiral stays further.
I have a hard time getting my head around the fact that Big Rock is joint fav – Inspiral put him firmly in his place in the Marois on good to soft last year and the times today at Newbury suggest at worse it is good to soft and possible drying out.
His Ascot run was impressive but they were strung out all over Berkshire and from the 4th on home they were all beaten huge double digit distances – yes he excels on soft ground but most of the field that day failed to act on the ground in any way shape or form and unless the rain arrives I doubt condition will be anywhere near that desperate and if it were to chuck it down to that degree, I am pretty sure Inspiral will be pulled out.
To me if the ground is no worse than good to soft and real Inspiral shows up (connections have said she has had a relatively clear run compared to previous debut seasons), she wins and hopefully it will really kick start Kieran Shoemark’s association with the yard.
May 17, 2024 at 17:27 #1694624He’s got some good form on good or better ground too to be fair, that Marois was on good according to timeform and 2nd in the French Derby behind the Arc winner on good-firm.
I don’t know why Audience is running but he won’t be good enough to lay up if its pace making duties, might just be a lack of suitable options.
I think its safe to say shes not straightforward early on and gets better as the season goes on, got beat in the Queen Anne last year (hardly a strong renewal) after missing this, did win a Coronation Stakes but again not a strong race and she missed the 1000 Guineas in the first place.
I hope they both turn up primed and its a cracker but my gut tells me one of them won’t be 100% and will bomb out. Not sure which of them.
May 17, 2024 at 18:19 #1694629I read something today which blew my mind initially and then I did manage to work out its on different parts of the track with Ascot being steepest at the finish but apparently Big Rock covered his first 6F of his mile quicker than the Champion Sprint which probably goes a long way to showing why not much ran their races in the QEII, they were being asked to go a very strong gallop which would have found a lot of them out irrespective of the ground and would also contribute to stringing them out, although the ground would have magnified that.
May 17, 2024 at 18:56 #1694637John Gosden said today he’s not too happy with her draw but have still taken.
Inspiral – 2/1
The way she won the Breeders Cup Fillies & Mares I would hope something like a low draw would not worry her at all..She has been a favourite of mine with her bad girl looks and feisty nature I’m hopeful she’ll win tomorrow.
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