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i wish kempton was on today – have you seen the chepstow card today – only a russian roulette playing person with 1 day to live and too much money to spend would play that card.
trouble is these narrow minded all-weather racing haters are so narrow minded they can see no further than or around their patently incorrect bias
For anyone who’s interested, I’ve posted my first Polytrack selections in the Lays and Plays area. Only time to look at one race and, being a masochist, I chose a Class 6 maiden for 3-4yo.
Feel free to have a chuckle.
As I’ve already stated, I think all weather racing is dull and it doesn’t hold much interest for me, which is why I personally wouldn’t go to Kempton. But there is a strong possibility that the crowd numbers for evening racing are affected by the horrendous traffic in the area from about 4pm onwards.<br>If you wanted to go to Kempton for a meeting that started at 2pm, the only traffic problems you would face would be the race traffic. Once you get past about 4pm though, the whole of West London becomes gridlocked, nobody in their right mind would attempt to drive anywhere unless they really had to.<br>Windsor isn’t too bad, you can join the M4 anywhere after junction 3 and it’s more or less motorway all the way and you can move along ok. The only real traffic you might meet is very close to the track. <br>Kempton on the other hand is close to Ashford, Hampton, Sunbury and even Kingston. All of which can be pretty busy in the rush hour, as is the main road from London heading out towards the M3.<br>It would make the place a right pain to drive to for an evening meeting.
Hi Alan , hope you are on top form
<br>Dross is all races up to 65 rating  , or specifically all races rated below 60 , aw racing is full of it , and its killing the game
cheers
Ricky
:old: tart
I say Ricky do steady on old chap<br> I do have the odd eye<br> for the low class jumping mare :love:
ooooook , I am talking about flat racing , SORRY all you Jumping nuts  cripes what a life
Gamble  you old baaaaaaaaaaaaa (stard)  nice to see you again !! I am on the ropes here fore having the temerity to suggest that Kempton aw racing is crap
<br>have fun folks , even if its 0/35 banded , meanwhile racing leaks more and more regular pun ters to other sports ,
cheers
Ricky
the valley warbler Jones:got it right<br> when he sang the line<br> the :old: green grass of home
<br> You could have more leaks in you than racing Lake,<br> but equitrack and Polytrack don’t hold much for me,<br> and I tolerate them as a necessary evil just<br> to keep peole like AP in suitably freshly fashioned tweed.
<br> flatcapgamble…I wouldn’t see Lake at all as high class gamble, more flatcap at a dogging track. :biggrin:
<br> damn the old
(Edited by gamble at 7:38 pm on July 28, 2006)
Interesting stuff, Stav. What do you think the reason for the apparent bias could be?
I know with the old fibresand, there was a tendency for it to pile up deeper on the inside, due to the way it was harrowed, but I assumed that wouldn’t happen with Polytrack and even if it did, would only expect it to affect width of maybe the first couple of stalls.
I seem to remember the publicity re Polytrack from the American website was that it would remain consistent from -14 degrees C to 100 degrees C. But it would be interesting to get to the bottom of what is going on there.
I think if we could work out why it was happening, then we would be able to say whether it was temporary or not, and perhaps be able to spot when it might reoccur
EC,
I have given a few clues in the past and on Flatstats for dynamic draw bias prediction.<br>Perhaps a few thoughts from Conan Doyle, a bookwiter just like Stav, might give a few pointers to the little conundrum.
It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.
It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius. Thanks Stav.<br>
This is what I thought about the draw at Wolves on a similar thread started by Stav,
https://theracingforum.co.uk/cgi-bin … topic=9451
" When I’ve been to Wolverhampton, I’ve always preferred to stick to the middle to high drawn runners. Down the centre in the straight is almost certainly the place to be.
Couple of things I’ve noticed just from observations is horses staying to the inside down the back straight and moving towards the centre off the final bend do very well – no real stats to back this up – just the naked eye. Perhaps course is treated differently on the back straight? "
i thought everybody knew that the tractor that rakes the polytrack is 8 traps wide so while he has to go rouond twice to get all 12 traps the middle 4 get done twice – obvious really
It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.
<br>Lies, damn lies and data :)
If he did believe that, must have been a rather dry unimaginitive world he lived in. :( <br>
(Edited by clivex at 9:15 pm on July 30, 2006)
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It may ruffle a few feathers amongst the smart brigade, but I can’t really see much wrong with Sberry’s logic.<br> The track is harrowed and rolled after every race, therefore the middle of the track is more compacted, having been rolled twice, which, in turn, has more effect during long dry spells when the surface is looser anyway.<br>Simple, really.;)
EC
Just in response to the 28% strike rate of favorites being a problem at lingfield on the AW (and by implication kempton), see the rather topical Goodwood stats below
<br> 1997 41 123 33.3% <br> 1998 48 124 38.7% <br> 1999 42 125 33.6% <br> 2000 33 129 25.6% <br> 2001 32 130 24.6% <br> 2002 47 128 36.7% <br> 2003 46 134 34.3% <br> 2004 36 133 27.1% <br> 2005 34 131 26.0%
are Goodwoods crowds down this year? :) <br>
Quote: from Fergal
We are also currently working with our retained track consultant on a method to mechanically assess the going
Long :old: wait
Well we wont hoild our breath on the mechanical polytrack hoof going predictor
<br> Come back Lake you won this one by seven pints – the dog made me do it.
flatcapgamble… Muttley he he he he :giggle:<br>
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EC<br> <br> (And friends):biggrin:
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