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    Avatar photoChivers1987
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    Sounds like backtracking to me. He pretty clearly insinuated on Saturday that King Of Steel shouldn’t have been injured. If it was economics then why couldn’t he have just said that to Chapman?
    Coincidentally, he says something happened that Varian apologised profusely for many times over but that has nothing to do with him moving horses. I wonder what that incident was?

    #1695035
    Avatar photoChivers1987
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    As a side note, I don’t have any problem at all with him or others moving horses/changing jockeys, like Kia says, it happens quite often. I think the reason he gets bad publicity or just a negative feel from the likes of us is the way he comes across.
    He certainly does not act well to being challenged or even just asked about why he feels it necessary to make the changes he makes. He could always just ‘tell the truth’ but he suggests that nobody wants to hear the truth because we are but A few good men. Or something.

    #1695037
    Avatar photoRefuse To Bend
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    Precisely Chivers it is not about the horse and jockey changes that happens. What it is about is what he said Saturday and he is trying to wriggle out of it. He didn’t outrightly say it but he may well have done, he blames Roger Varian who he has now decided to refer as “The golden boy of racing”.

    The things I want most in life are the things that I can't win.

    #1695041
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    There’s a lot of “we” this and “we” that in that article. Kia is listed as the sole company director for Amo Racing Ltd, Amo Racing Stables Ltd and Amo Racing Holdings Ltd. The first named had other directors, since resigned; the other two only ever had him listed as a company director. So who’s “we?”

    And if we are such small fish in the golden boy’s big pond, and so very very ‘umble, how come we have about as many horses in training altogether as the big multibillionaire owners in Varian’s golden pond? Considering that we do not, or do not yet, have a mini Ballydoylesque shop window for a mini Coolmoresque stud operation- which is about the the only way to make any money out of owning racehorses.

    I would not be surprised if we turn out to be as bent as a nine bob note*

    *Based on absolutely zero evidence, just a couple of decades’ exposure to various types from the delusional fantasists to the wiseguy bullsh*t artists- all on a much much smaller scale than mixing it with oil sheikhs and oligarchs at Royal Ascot owners’ & trainers….but people are people….

    #1695042
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    “Coincidentally, he says something happened that Varian apologised profusely for many times over but that has nothing to do with him moving horses. I wonder what that incident was?”

    Did Varian do too many tequila slammers at a trainers’ party and leave Kia a pissed up voice note telling him what he really thinks of him, with all the other trainers laughing in the background shouting, “G’wan Rog’ !!”

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    Avatar photoTonge
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    We can but hope Green. Suspect the truth is much duller!

    #1695050
    Helcatmudwrestler
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    So he appeared to own it appears Greens of Rainham Car Dealership , gpogle of it intetesting .
    Owned a few toes maybe of Carlos Tevez , also owm Karmaa Racing a previoys racehorse company it appears .
    And racing is sucking up to him hahahaha , desperate times i suppose .
    Hopefully it all goes well for rest of season and many seasons to come .

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    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    Who knows when the fallout started? Maybe it happened after last year’s Breeders’ Cup where King of Steel only finished 5th to Auguste Rodin and a few older horses. Nevertheless the horse won 1.5 million in prize-money under Varian’s guidance, was 2nd in A derby, 3rd in a very hot KG and won the British Champion Stakes.

    Varian seems to be a rather patient trainer, more like Sir Michael. Mr. Whatshisname tends to buy precocious horses and wants to see them win all over the country and from an very early stage.

    I don’t think they were a perfect match and it remains to be seen how much King Of Steel will improve at four, if he ever makes it back to the track.

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    I definitely read something about a fairly public exchange at a recent sale but I can’t find any reference to it via googling.

    #1695123
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    Nobody has an issue with owners wanting to move their horses or changing a retained jockey, that will always be part and parcel of the sport but there are ways to go about doing it with just a little class and integrity and Kia seems to have skipped those lines when those particular attributes were being handed out.

    For me his insinuation (that it was somehow Varian’s fault that KOS became injured) was a cynically tactical move done purely to try and deflect the spotlight away from him for (yet again) falling out with another one of his employees – I seriously doubt that he has any real evidence to support any actual claim of wrong doing by Varian, so insinuation was the next best thing he could do to try and get the perception to change regarding how most see Varian.

    This is becoming a regular pattern of behaviour with him, maybe if there was just one incident you could write it off to it being one of those thing where people didn’t gel so you move on but he is the common denominator in all of these issues. Kia seems to be a results now regardless kind of individual and as such it could be viewed as a poor decision on his behalf to go with Varian who is very much the patience first kind of trainer.

    No doubt there will be others to take up any offer to train/ride for Kia but I would hazzard a guess and say that the pool of those towards the top end of the ranks (trainers more so) will be growing smaller rather quickly given his continued ability to fall out with people and it may mean those with a lesser standing/profile are willing to roll the dice because the benefits potentially outweigh the downside.

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    Kia’s credit card getting a workout at Book 1 Tatts- he has spent >£10 million on Day 1.

    #1709365
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    Yep, and the 4.4m gns filly is a 66/1 shot to win a Classic in 2026.

    #1709402
    Devonian
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    Give the lack of loyalty of Mr Amo to trainers it could be a poisoned chalice to take on this very expensive filly.

    Racing Post suggests Mr Amo was with George Scott when she was bought.

    #1709406
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    Mark Prescott and Ralph Beckett are getting them, maybe he likes double ts.

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    They are training them for now…

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