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Is the simple solution so close we cannot or won’t see it.Disqualify the horse and place him last.Let the owner,jockey and trainer decide who to blame.Send them the video with the count on it!How can you appeal? The numbers don’t lie.
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See my very clear reply to Corm (somewhere on one of the plethora of threads!) as to what I should like to see.
In a nutshell,
exactly what we have
, but all references to
number of strokes
removed. Without that nonsensical, arbitrary landmine which blows everything to pieces, the rules will work beautifully (as they do in Ireland and France).
Why would owners disappear?
There are the same number of winners.But they are
different
winners. We’re agreed that this is all about
perception
: but nobody seems to have taken small owners’s
perceptions
into account at all. They want
their
horse to win, not somebody else’s. And if these new rules –
That’s a load of b…
For every small owner that gets beaten because of the new rules there’ll be one who wins because of the new rules.
If any owner goes elsewhere for that reason he’s an idiot.
Value Is EverythingGood man, Kieren Fox. A well handicapped, unexposed type, backed in from a big price doing its utmost for a thoroughly decent trainer and probably a group of small time enthusiasts. The kind of people who keep the game on its feet.
If that horse has a mark on him tonight, for receiving a few extra taps, I’m a monkeys uncle.
The worlds gone mad.
See my very clear reply to Corm (somewhere on one of the plethora of threads!) as to what I should like to see.
In a nutshell,
exactly what we have
, but all references to
number of strokes
removed. Without that nonsensical, arbitrary landmine which blows everything to pieces, the rules will work beautifully (as they do in Ireland and France).
But the old rules did not work, ignored in valuable races.
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For every small owner that gets beaten under the new rules there’ll be one who wins because of these new rules.
Ginger
, you are missing the point. This is not a matter of cool logic, or numbers, but how individual owners
feel
when it’s their horse which gets beaten because their rider stuck to the rules whilst the winner didn’t. And about how owners
feel
when they see their jockey beaten a head because he’s riding out hands and heels instead of being seen to be making every effort to win.
No matter how many times you might be on the positive end of the equation. It only takes one such experience to sour an owner with British Racing for life, and head for Ireland.
Snow Bride
"won" the 1989
Oaks
according to the record books. But we’re still smarting over the fall out from
Aliysa
‘s disqualification, for goodness sake! When the owner picked up his toys and headed for Ireland, should we have shrugged and said
"oh well, for every one that loses there’s another who wins"
? Or is the Aga Khan one of your "
idiots
"?
But the old rules did not work, ignored in valuable races.
Problem being, they’ll be ignored in valuable races under the new rules too.
The rule should be amended to say that if a ban was triggered by a ride in a specific class of race (Group, Listed, Class 2, 3, seller etc) then the ban should apply to that class of race only.
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But the old rules did not work, ignored in valuable races.
As the
new
ones will be on Saturday for
Champions Day
!
I don’t know why people keep brining up Ireland like it’s a better option.
How’s the financial situation over there? Healthy? Progressive? No, it’s on it’s arse. No owner nor trainer is going to move their entire string over there. No chance at all.
Good man, Kieren Fox. A well handicapped, unexposed type, backed in from a big price doing its utmost for a thoroughly decent trainer and probably a group of small time enthusiasts. The kind of people who keep the game on its feet.
If that horse has a mark on him tonight, for receiving a few extra taps, I’m a monkeys uncle.
The worlds gone mad.
Cav,
Kieren Fox, for whatever reason, paid no attention to the rules. How you can say he is the "kind of people who keep the game on its feet", is astonishing.Fox needs to learn and learn quickly this sort of behavior will not be tolerated. 15 days today is well earnt. If he does it again there’ll be a well earnt much larger ban. As I understand it, if he persists in the end a total ban, license withdrawn.
Value Is EverythingDoes anyone know if the major bookmakers have made any comments regarding the new rules other than seeing it as a opportunity to create another avenue of profit?
If the bookmakers like the new whip rules, because it will make form study and finding winners more difficult, then I suspect their silent but immensely powerful voice, will prevail.
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I don’t know why people keep brining up Ireland like it’s a better option.
How’s the financial situation over there? Healthy? Progressive? No, it’s on it’s [expletive]. No owner nor trainer is going to move their entire string over there. No chance at all.
It’s already happening,
Scamperdale
. Because, with all Ireland’s problems, Racing is more fun and less plagued by continual wrangling and moral crusades there than it is over here.
But the old rules did not work, ignored in valuable races.
As the
new
ones will be on Saturday for
Champions Day
!
So you were in favour of the old rules which you conceed did not work, but are against these rules because they won’t work.
Surely if one set of rules don’t work, then you change the rules to something that might work?
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But the old rules did not work, ignored in valuable races.
As the
new
ones will be on Saturday for
Champions Day
!
So you were in favour of the old rules which you conceed did not work, but are against these rules because they won’t work.
Surely if one set of rules don’t work, then you change the rules to something that might work?
No. I was dead against the
previous
rule too. I was absolutely
for
the rules as toughened up on horse welfare and incorrect whip usage, and still am. The penalties for misuse of any kind should be in the
discretionary hands of the Stewards
, not set in stone according to an arbitrary numbers game.
Today we had everyone counting up to five in race after race, instead of watching the things. Is that what you want?
Does anyone know if the major bookmakers have made any comments regarding the new rules other than seeing it as a opportunity to create another avenue of profit?
If the bookmakers like the new whip rules, because it will make form study and finding winners more difficult, then I suspect their silent but immensely powerful voice, will prevail.
If it is difficult for punters then it is equally as difficult for bookmakers odds compilers. It may well be some punters will get to know these rules before bookies fathom them out. So they’re not particularly bookmaker friendly.
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If it is difficult for punters then it is equally as difficult for bookmakers odds compilers. It may well be some punters will get to know these rules before bookies fathom them out. So they’re not particularly bookmaker friendly.
I was watching today with your suggestion in mind, as to the likely impact from the pace point of view. It seemed to me that it
was
harder to come from behind than usual, given the
"last furlong quota"
. This may be anecdotal, but it could produce some Value until punters and bookies cotton on.
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