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if you are correct and he was a good in the champion hurdle then Silent Oscar who beat him 8 lengths 5 weeks later must be some animal…..puts him 5 lenths in front of Sublimity
I think you may find Callow Lakes position relative to HE, Harchi and Iktitaf and Macs Joy position relative to that of HE, Harchi and Iktitaf makes that particular race very suspect indeed and if you had any real idea how to assess performances you’d know this
Charlie don’t throw form at me that’s not worth a pinch of salt just sow me at which point in the CH did HE even look half the horse he was the year bef
There’s just no point in me repeating myself – talk about banging your head against a brick wall
It leaves him somwhere like 10 to 15 lengths behind Sizing Europe if you accept both sets of form, the AIG and the CH as godspel. Considering SE could have beat HE by 20 lengths
If you take the bare form as ‘gospel’ (as opposed to making up how far you think SE may have won!) Hardy Eustace has regressed by 5lbs or so between last years’ CH and the AIG. Personally I think it’s more than that, meaning that either the AIG has been overstated slightly or last years’ CH form has been underrated- the later is most certainly the case for you!
Go LOOK at the dam horse and compare his runnings in his last two
I have, and I saw that he was as fat as a bull in the Bula. Stop that race two out and his run looks exactly like the one he gave in the CH, he duly didn’t get home because he was way short of fitness. It would be a mistake to assume he can’t reproduce last year’s level of form, which would force anything else into a lifetime best to beat him.
Like I said, if fit he simply can’t be out of the first three. Sizing Europe could still go on to be something special, but Sublimity has to get the nod over anything else IMO.
Think he’s already been put in his place by 3 horses who may not even may the frame in the Champion. Not sure last year’s 4 year olds were any cop, not of them have done much since and even his last win didn’t impress me that much.
"Fist of Fury 2k8":10yjjib6 wrote: Go LOOK at the dam horse and compare his runnings in his last two
I have, and I saw that he was as fat as a bull in the Bula. Stop that race two out and his run looks exactly like the one he gave in the CH, he duly didn’t get home because he was way short of fitness. It would be a mistake to assume he can’t reproduce last year’s level of form, which would force anything else into a lifetime best to beat him.
Like I said, if fit he simply can’t be out of the first three. Sizing Europe could still go on to be something special, but Sublimity has to get the nod over anything else IMO.
You have misread my post….i was suggesting to go back and look at HE in his 2 previous CH’s he didn’t come under presuure until after two out when he won…….he was under severe pressure in lst years after 4 out…..to me he simply wasn’t the same horse when Sublimity beat him.
to me he (HE) simply wasn’t the same horse when Sublimity beat him.
Perhaps not, but he was even less of the same horse when Sizing Europe beat him, and like I said IMO to the tune of more than the 5lbs suggested by some. And besides, Brave Inca was also put to the sword by Sublimity that day, was he equally regressive?
Friggo all of those horses were never that good…..it was an awful era..Brave Inca beats Hardy Eustace Hardy Estace beats Brave Inca Brave Inca beats Hardy Eustace,,,,,,,,,,,,,easiest way is take them out of the race and Sublimity has beaten Afsoun by a diminishing 3 lengths. Afsoun turns out a few weeks later and gets beat 3 lengths by Al Eele……everything tells me that no matter how you look at the form it’s all much the same…………so I ask you the question if HE has gone further back has Al Eile also gone back when Sizing Europe demolished them and showed them up for what they are………very moderate by Champion Hurdle standards
Mark my words when Katchit/Osana head for home Sublimity will burn himself out just trying to get to him…..he won’t have the luxury of being handed the Champion Hurdle on a plate to him like last year..he is going to have to fight for it and I reckon there isn’t an ounce of fight in him.
I saw a real horse in the AIG and my eyes and the form tell me SE is in a differnet parsih to Sublimity……..who as I say will be lucky if he can beat an improved (IMO) Afsoun again never mind Sizing Europe, Katchit, Osana and co………did I mention I didn’t fancy him
so I ask you the question if HE has gone further back has Al Eile also gone back
I would answer ‘no’. When Hardy Eustace was winning Champion Hurdles he was consistently half a stone (maybe more) better than Al Eile. This season the two have looked much of a muchness. Also, it does look to me as though Al Eile is a bit more vulnerable over 2m these days and needs to step up. That’s not to say that he’s regressed, but it does emphasise it to me that Hardy Eustace is on a pretty chronic downturn, at least over 2 miles.
Time for this thread to have a bump…
Well done to all Katchit supporters. Can’t wait for Katchit to come on here (the forumite, not the horse) – hope he/she is buzzing as much as I am
Mike
Congratulations to team Katchit – proved plenty of people wrong there!
A very game horse.
I was tossing up between Katchit and Punjabi, and went for the wrong one.
If i’d have read this thread before, I might have been swayed.
Nice picking..
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