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I agree, Zoso, and I think an overlooked aspect of Katchit’s Kingwell win is the handsome compliment it paid to Osana’s Bula performance. I can’t see how the horse can be twice the price of Sizing Europe myself.
I would not be so quick to write off Sublimity as being some sort of no hoper. He absolutely laughed at his rivals last year. IF he turns up in the same form this year then I would not want to back against him.
Its quite possible that he isnt the same horse this year although I wouldnt take that for granted. To say that his performance last year was rubbish is laughable, it was the most visually impressive performance of the festival for me (although I am most likely blinkered as he was my best winner of the festival). Some horses peak at certain times of the year, it could well be that Sublimity is a horse who natuarlly peaks in March, if that is the case then the rest of the field had better watch out.
Why is it rubbish? You say rubbish but give abolutely no reason why the form is good? other than to say he was visually impressive.
Mate you must have had two pairs of rose coloured glasses on.
I am not going to go over the race again but at least I gace some sort of view………here’s another point you are missing….Hardy Eustace has won 1 race since the Champion hurdle he beat Afsoun 1/2 length. He was beaten 8 lengths by Sizing Europe and it could have been 20 lengths.
He was a spent force in the CH and Sublimity was all out to beat him 3 1/4 lengths. Go look at the race, NOT at Sublimity, then come back here and tell me that was the same horse who won 2 Champion hurdles.
It won’t be two dead horses leading into the straight it will probaly be Osana and Katchit and when the latter goes for home Sublimity will need all his speed to catch him the Ziltch!!!!!!!
The race he ran against Noland was very similar to the race he ran in the Champion Hurdle……but there was one big difference nothing was stopping in front of him,,,,,and he couldn’t even get near Straw Bear,,,,,,soon as he hit the rising ground he found nothing and just ran on at one pace.
When he hit the front at Cheltenham he did exctly that, just ran on at one pace.
He might come at them but Katchit and co wont be stopping and Sizing Europe has way to much class for him IMO
Afsoun has 3 lengths to make up on him and in a fast run race I would be so sure he will even beat him.
The trainer of Sublimity publically stated before his last race that Sublimity was not fit. I wouldnt read too much into the form of his last race. If he turns up in the same form as last year then it would take a brave man to back against him.
As it happens the stats are against him (he didnt win his last race) and he may well not be the same horse. I would certainly not rule him out though..
Get off your high horse as well, I stated I was blinkered cos he was my best winner last year.
The stats are of no interest to me but I wonder if a little bit too much has been made of his "lack of fitness"…
His last race is totally irrelevant to me he was a s big as a bull…….but the fact he hasn’t run since has got to be worrying for anyone who has backed him……….That wasn’t the plan or they wouldn’t have run him at all and they wouldn’t have entered him for the AIG………he’s obviously not been 100% but that’s not to say he won’t be bang on for Cheltenham.
Another point on Sublimity. Even though he’s won a Champion Hurdle, he’s still had only seven (I think) races over hurdles, and a few of those were maidens or preps. With the exception of Sizing Europe, he’s probably the least exposed horse in the field. So there’s a chance he may still improve & be even better than he was last year….and he was a group class horse, & by far the best of the CH contenders, on the flat.
His last race is totally irrelevant to me he was a s big as a bull…….but the fact he hasn’t run since has got to be worrying for anyone who has backed him
Okay then, Fist. Don’t factor in his last run. What does that leave us with? A cuffing of Brave Inca, Afsoun & Hardy Eustace over C&D last year. Also when he won last year he hadn’t run since the 27th of January. Sublimity can’t and won’t be out of the first 3 IMO, as everything else is out to prove it can post the same that he did last year.
To rule him out, especially at 5/1, would be folly IMO.
Surely Osana’s 6lb pull gives him a literal cahnce of turning the tables on the De Bromhead beast? I f***ing hope so!!!!
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I don’t think so. Its one of them weight per length things but I don’t see Osana beating Sizing Europe.
the Champion Hurdle course is sharper than the Cheltenham course Osana won over last time and that won’t suit him. He was allowed an early lead that day and they all came to challenge him going to the last but he just stayed on when his stamina kicked in. In the Champion he won’t get an easy lead and he will have to quicken, I don’t see it happenning.
Sizing Europe for me, Sublimity the danger.
I think an easy lead will be exactly what he gets, Flash, with all his main rivals – Sublimity, Harchibald, Sizing Europe, Katchit, Afsoun, Straw Bear and Blythe Knight – all preferring to come from off the pace. The only challenger he may have for the lead is Hardy Eustace, but if he goes any sort of clip then that shouldn’t present a problem.
That said I don’t think he’ll win, though I would fancy him to push Sizing Europe a lot closer.
His last race is totally irrelevant to me he was a s big as a bull…….but the fact he hasn’t run since has got to be worrying for anyone who has backed him
Okay then, Fist. Don’t factor in his last run. What does that leave us with? A cuffing of Brave Inca, Afsoun & Hardy Eustace over C&D last year. Also when he won last year he hadn’t run since the 27th of January. Sublimity can’t and won’t be out of the first 3 IMO, as everything else is out to prove it can post the same that he did last year.
To rule him out, especially at 5/1, would be folly IMO.
It leaves him somwhere like 10 to 15 lengths behind Sizing Europe if you accept both sets of form, the AIG and the CH as godspel. Considering SE could have beat HE by 20 lengths
or maybe you think HE wasn’t as good as he was when he ran in last years CH.
Go LOOK at the dam horse and compare his runnings in his last two CH FFS HE he was gone, finished khaput out on his ass, nothing like the horse he was the year before…Sublimity beat nothing, it was one of the worst champion hurdles I have ever seen in my life…….the rest of his form is nothing more than ordinary one paced at Cheltenham, won a micky mouse race at 1/3 and beat some horse called inch Island who has never won a race2 years ago……………some superstar!!! be better drinking your money.
Go LOOK at the dam horse and compare his runnings in his last two CH FFS HE he was gone, finished khaput out on his ass
Horses that use too much energy early on in a race usually do end up gone, khaput by the end of the race
True Charlie but he had gone by four out in the CH last year unlike the year before when he was still full of running at the second last……..I don’t dream these things up I must have watched both races 10 times
Hardy Eustace was not gone last year and his finishing position relative to Brave Inca, Afsoun and their positions relative to that of Kawingo show you this
So does his AIG win, so does his Ascot Hurdle win, so does his 2nd in International
That form to me isn’t worth didly bit if you are correct and he was a good in the champion hurdle then Silent Oscar who beat him 8 lengths 5 weeks later must be some animal…..puts him 5 lenths in front of Sublimity…..Charlie don’t throw form at me that’s not worth a pinch of salt just sow me at which point in the CH did HE even look half the horse he was the year before ……..damned if I can see the Hardy Eustace who won 2 champion hurdles in that race. Even if he was and still is SE showed everyone just how bad that crop of hudlers were……
if you are correct and Sizing Europe pisses all over the top of Sublimity it is going to make Hardy Estace look like one very ordinary Champion Hurdle winner………which of course he was…..and Sublimity isn’t as good as Hardy Eustace was IMO. I give Sublimity no chance in the CH. Place at best and well pushed to do that on anything he has done so far IMO……..puting a name on a race and calling it the Champion Hurdle doesn’t always mean the winner is a champion.
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You’re right. They might have won a Champion Hurdle (or two) but TRUE champions comes once in a blue moon. Sizing Europe has the POTENTIAL to becoming a true champion which alone is exciting.
It is fashionable to some to throw plaudits at a CH winner, QMCC winner or a GC winner, but who did they beat? In what style did they win? Did they beat a poor bunch? Brave Inca, Hardy Eustace, Rooster Booster, all ‘gutsy’ and great ‘battlers’ but TRUE champions they ain’t. Of course its also down to one’s definition and interpretation….some people are too easy to please
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