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Anyone else been impressed by this two year-old?
I vaguely remember someone on here mentioning him a while before he ran and I think he looks an exciting prospect.
Thought he showed a nice turn of foot to win nicely. Visually impressive. What he beat; god only knows. Although the second (Famous Name) must’ve been highly rated as he ran in the National Stakes behind New Approach after his maiden win.
Really taken with this horse,could easily see him as a guineas candiate come next spring.Even though the guineas looks a hot race even now, not too sure how much improvment new approach has in him,and given how goldolphin always seem to ruin the top 2yrs they buy,Jupiter looks a good bet.
"What he beat" was pretty obvious. He beat some OK nursery types by not very far. Jupiter Pluvius seems sure to improve – a messy race was unlikely to bring out the best in him – but he’s well behind several of the other Guineas hopefuls going into the winter.
I think prufrock will tell you that Haafhd had all the attributes required to be a 2000 Guineas winner as a juvenile
There is some re-writing of history there on Rock of Gibraltar. He wasn;t even the number one candidate in his yard for the Guineas.
Agree with Prufrock, Linsalaata was far too close to be able to rate today’s race very highly.
Some fair points, Triple Crown: I was not trying to suggest that a Guineas winner had to have been head and shoulders above his contemporaries as a juvenile.
The "what did he beat" is very easily answered where Jupiter Pluvius is concerned, however.
Billyford (beaten 1.25 lengths) had run 7 times previously and last won a nursery off 89; Linsalata (beaten 2 lengths) had run 6 times previously and recently been beaten off a mark of 85; Mr Medici (beaten 2 lengths) had taken 5 runs to get off the mark and was rated 92 officially.
The bare form probably would not have got Jupiter Pluvius in the first 7 in the Dewhurst, though I’m sure we are at least agreed that he is almost certainly better than the bare form.
I think prufrock will tell you that Haafhd had all the attributes required to be a 2000 Guineas winner as a juvenile
Thanks for that, Smithy…
You’re welcome, prufrock…….
‘Year in, year out, it pays to concentrate on good 2yo form in the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket in May. The last winner rated below 100 by prufrock as a 2yo was the 1991 winner Mystiko; since then, eight winners have been rated at least 110 at two, and five at least 115. On that basis alone Haafhd has to enter 2000 Guineas calculations and, as a likely type to do well in one of the recognised trials, could represent value at his ante-post odds of 33/1 at the time of writing.’
A pleasing and profitable paragraph.
I’m not trying to set myself up as anti-Jupiter Pluvius or anti-anything-that-hasn’t-run-to-a-rating-of-120+.
However, for the record
Milk It Mick might seem like a donkey now but he went into the Dewhurst off the back of a win in a Group 3 in a good time that would have had him winning today’s race by 3 or 4 lengths.Still, Jupiter Pluvius is 20 on Betfair, so it’s not as if people are going totally over the top about him. I wouldn’t put him in much bigger myself.
There has to be a big doubt whether this fellow will get a mile.
His bottom line is mainly composed of sprinters, and most of his sire’s classiest offspring have shown their best at up to a mile.
Maybe 6 or 7 furlongs will be his best distance.
Sageburg is out of a Linamix mare who stayed 12f.
Jupiter Pluvius is out of a sprinter, from a family of sprinters.
Baroness Thatcher stayed much too long (8.5f).
I’d forgotten that Johannesburg is the sire of Diamond Tycoon as well.
There are two sides to a pedigree. I would suggest that sending Johannesburg to a 12f mare, rather than a sprinter, was more likely to produce a middle distance horse.
The bottom half of Jupiter Pluvius’ pedigree is chock full of sprinters – this is not opinion, this is fact.
3rd foal, half-brother to Rappers Deelite, dual sprint winner at 3 in US; dam US sprint winner at 4, half-sister to high-class multiple-winning US 2yo sprinter High Heeled Hope, and Koennecker, useful 22-time sprint winner in US
We must be at crossed purposes here. I would suggest that Sageburg stays 10f because he is out of a 12f mare, rather than being by Johannesburg.
As for Jupiter Pluvius, I don’t see what Mr Prospector has to do with anything.
Was quite taken with him again today.. would agree that the form is certainly nothing spectacular, though the first two could turn out to be very smart IMO..
Hard not to have stamina worries given his pedigree, but he certainly shaped (at least to the eye) that he wouldn’t have any problems getting the mile.. that said, it certainly wasn’t run at a hectic pace and lacked any sort of strength in depth..
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