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- October 30, 2002 at 14:14 #4239
As promised earlier, for anyone interested, here are the completion stats. for Jockeys between May 1st 2000 – April 27th 2002.
The average Non Completion rate for each code is as follows:
Hurdles  32905 (runs) 5977 (non comp) 18% <br>Chases  20771   6267  30% <br>Bumpers  4259   85  2%
Jockeys who have had over 200 rides in the above period (Hurdles first):
X Aizpuru     23%  29%<br>L Aspell       10%  27%<br>M Batchelor    14%  32%<br>C Bolger      17%  23%<br>M Bradburne   17%  25%<br>S Burrough    29%  22%<br>J P Byrne      16%  48%<br>L Cooper      24%  25%<br>D Crosse      15%  28%<br>J Crowley     20%  25%<br>B J Crowley    18%  35%<br>J Culloty       14%  21%<br>L Cummins     17%  28%<br>S Curran      24%  44%<br>A Dempsey     11%  28%<br>D Dennis      12%  23%<br>A Dobbin      13%  35%<br>T Doyle        16%  30%<br>S Durack       20%  29%<br>D Elsworth     11%  21%<br>N Fehily        18%  31%<br>B Fenton       19%  19%<br>M Fitzgerald     15%  25%<br>R Flavin        20%  23%<br>P Flynn        12%  36%<br>M Foley        17%  31%<br>R Forristal      31%  61%<br>J Frost         17%  25%<br>D Gallagher     24%  35%<br>R Garritty       18%  29%<br>J Goldstein      20% 44%<br>R Greene       19%  32%<br>Richard Guest   11%  18%<br>N Hannity       22%  36%<br>B Harding       28%  37%<br>P Hide         21%  21%<br>B Hitchcott       9%  29%<br>E Husband      22%  30%<br>T Jenks         18%  29%<br>K Johnson       24%  28%<br>R Johnson        9%  18%<br>J Kavanagh      19%  31%<br>V Keane        19%  30%<br>F Keniry         16%  36%<br>G Lee           16%  23%<br>C Llewellyn      16%  30%<br>G Lyons         16%  28%<br>A Maguire        11%  20%<br>J Maguire        23%  33%<br>W Marston       21%  28%<br>C Maude         28%  31%<br>J McCarthy       19%  31%<br>C McCormack     42%  41%<br>A P McCoy        12%  22%<br>R McGrath        20%  30%<br>J P McNamara     15%  26%<br>O McPhail         26%  33%<br>J Mogford        27%  24%<br>T J Murphy        18%  22%<br>D O’Meara        19%  28%<br>H Oliver          19%  32%<br>C Rafter          13%  32%<br>K Renwick        15%  24%<br>A Ross           13%  31%<br>T Scudamore      16%  38%<br>T Siddall         20%  34%<br>V Slattery        25%  32%<br>A S Smith        25%  33%<br>B Storey         19%  26%<br>S Stronge        18%  37%<br>G Supple         35%  39%<br>A Thornton       14%  22%<br>R Thornton       20%  30%<br>J Tizzard          21%  24%<br>L Vickers         10%  48%<br>R Wakley         21%  35%<br>R Widger         10%  21%<br>N Williamson      10%  20%<br>W Worthington     16%  20%<br>S Wynne          18%  21%
Couple of interesting ones there, especially over fences.<br>
October 30, 2002 at 14:53 #101416Does non-completion include pulling up? As the jockey on the poorer class of horse may be more likely to pull up than the jockey who regualy rides the better horses?? Or may ride a better schooled jumper?<br>But at the end of the day it’s the jockeys that get round that are worth backing.<br>Will these stats influence any bodies betting decisions?
October 30, 2002 at 15:16 #101418Useful stuff, Marko. Of course you need to be aware that lots of these non-completions are Pulled Up and a lot of jockeys at the lower end of the scale, by definition ride a lot of no hopers, and hence the number of PU’s is liable to be higher.
October 30, 2002 at 16:06 #101420Sacha – yes the figure do include horses that are pulled up.
I have seperate figures for pulled up/fell/u.r. etc. but thought it may prove a little confusing to show all the figures at once.
Many of the jockeys figures are very near the average, but there are a few interesting ones, especially over fences, who are over that average.
For example A Dobbin, P Flynn, J Goldstein, T Scudamore and S Stronge all have decent averages over hurdles, but are not so hot over fences. ÂÂÂ
They ride, on the whole, for decent stables and there should not be any real difference in ability between the hurdlers and chasers that they get on.
October 30, 2002 at 17:57 #101422marko – thanks mate – that is fantastic…
i think it would be really good to see the list filtered to just UNSEATED and FELL as that might be an indication of skill (or otherwise) over fences for individual jockeys,<br>but only if you’ve got time…
cheers again!
October 31, 2002 at 10:03 #101424I have actually got some data for this season, split between UR, fell etc, but haven’t had time to finish it – some of the names popping up on Marko’s list seem to be following a similar trend this year . Just a question – I only started it from the jump season ‘proper’ and ignored much of the summer racing. Do you think I would have better info if I backdated it to say May , or is summer jump racing less competitive therefore not worth including. <br>marko did you find much difference between summer and winter statistics?
October 31, 2002 at 11:18 #101426Sacha – I have not taken into account the difference between summer and "proper" racing.  I do agree that if the horses are of a poorer class in the summer racing then there is a chance that they may fall/ur slightly more often, although I have no figures to prove this either way. The only problem with taking the stats. from this jumps season proper is that at this stage you are working from a small selection of data and that could throw up strange results.
I have the figures for jockey fall and ur only – for the same period as the previous figures.
The average fall/ur in hurdles and chases is:
Hurdles  32905 races  1072 fall/ur  =  3%<br>Chases  20771 races  2066 fall/ur  =  10%
The percentage stats. below include the number of rides and then the % – with Hurdles first
X Aizpuru  232 3% – 68 13%<br>L Aspell  464 2% – 267 12%<br>M Batchelor  307 3% – 133 8%<br>M Bradburne 296 5% – 265 10%<br>L Cooper 264 5% – 57 7%<br>J Crowley 274 2% – 191 7%<br>B J Crowley  217 3% – 141 8%<br>J Culloty  365 2% – 295 9%<br>S Curran  292 6% – 115 16%<br>A Dempsey  269 3% – 145 14%<br>D Dennis  306 4% – 177 14%<br>A Dobbin  546 1% – 355 8%<br>T Doyle  336 2% – 205 6%<br>S Durack  303 3% – 225 13%<br>N Fehily  328 3% – 176 11%<br>B Fenton 289 3% – 192 6%<br>M Fitzgerald  549 2% – 332 5%<br>P Flynn  395 3% – 162 10%<br>D Gallagher  349 1% – 137 9%<br>R Garritty  290 2% – 220 9%<br>J Golstein 282 4% – 141 14%<br>R Greene  376 3% – 198 12%<br>R Guest  202 4% – 167 8%<br>N Hannity  228 1% – 72 13%<br>B Harding  329 3% – 280 9%<br>P Hide  211 6% – 147 7%<br>B Hitchcott  274 3% – 171 15%<br>E Husband  272 3% – 122 6%<br>R Johnson  839 3% – 585 7%<br>J Kavanagh  316 3% – 171 7%<br>F Keniry  444 3% – 257 16%<br>G Lee  473 3% – 202 8%<br>C Llewellyn  576 4% – 390 10%<br>Gary Lyons  238 3% – 72 8%<br>A Maguire  528 1% – 377 7%<br>W Marston  606 2% – 290 8%<br>C Maude  217 2% – 155 8%<br>J McCarthy  329 3% – 274 9%<br>A P McCoy  1045 3% – 647 9%<br>R McGrath  375 2% – 322 8%<br>J P McNamara  341 3% – 225 12%<br>O McPhail  299 3% – 160 10%<br>J Mogford  356 4% – 165 5%<br>T Murphy  468 3% – 403 10%<br>H Oliver  432 5% – 232 12%<br>C Rafter  227 4% – 37 11%<br>K Renwick  237 3% – 154 10%<br>T Scudamore  365 3% – 162 13%<br>T Siddall  225 2% – 92 10%<br>V Slattery  207 2% – 79 9%<br>A Smith  404 4% – 225 8%<br>B Storey  311 3% – 247 10%<br>S Stronge  286 2% – 160 16%<br>A Thornton  469 4% – 438 8%<br>R Thornton  519 2% – 394 7%<br>J Tizzard  276 3% – 361 6%<br>L Vickers  271 4% – 21 29%<br>R Wakley  469 4% – 320 12%<br>R Widger  215 2% – 204 8%<br>N Williamson  454 2% – 361 7%<br>W Worthington  218 2% – 143 8%
It is probably best to compare comparable jockeys due to the class/type of horses they generally ride.  For example while C Llewellyn has a fall/ur % of 10% – which equals the average – many of the other top jockeys have lower %’s.
October 31, 2002 at 11:30 #101429Brilliant stuff marko – thanks.
It’s interesting to compare the stats with my own lists of jockeys to follow and avoid. I’d love to say they back my lists up – but actually they seem to suggest I’m full of blind prejudice!
Mind you, Carl Llewellyn’s been on my ‘numpty’ list for years now – ever since he jumped off Young Hustler in the National in fact.
Not that I have a long and unforgiving memory!
October 31, 2002 at 11:37 #101431L.Vickers must have a sore bum!!
October 31, 2002 at 12:10 #101432Tooting – Just to further enhance your opinion of C Llewellyn i’ll break his figures down further for you.
Chases  390 rides  23 ur
Compare this to: <br>AP McCoy  647 rides only 14 ur<br>M Fitzgerald  332 rides 3 ur<br>R Johnson  585 rides 10 ur<br>T Murphy  403 11 ur<br>A Thornton  438 rides 8 ur<br>J Tizzard  361 rides 4 ur<br>N Williamson  361 rides 8 ur
He does seem to "fall off" with far more frequency than most of the other top jockeys.
If anyone wants a copy of the fall stats. I can send them out, but only if Daylight agrees, or I could send him a bunch and he can send them out.
John – Are you questioning the sexuality of L Vickers or just his riding ability?
Check out R Studholme  8 chase rides 50% fall/ur – poor chap!!!
October 31, 2002 at 17:42 #101435Are Dean Gallagher’s with or without cocaine …..?
Seriously, Marko, these figures are really interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do them.
November 2, 2002 at 11:58 #101438I couln’t possibly comment!!
No problem
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