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- January 12, 2022 at 19:31 #1577739
“I’m still to be convinced by Starmer but he did the job today , a proper picking apart of Boris’s pathetic non apology.”
I thought he blew his opportunity.
After B’s apology, THE potential killer question was “did you see or know about the invitation at the time?”
A yes answer and he’d be facing a vote of no confidence straightaway.
A no answer offers two possibilities. First, it is proven to be a lie, in which case he is finished, under the Ministerial Code.
If “no” proves to be true (or at least no one can show it isn’t), and today Starmer would have had to accept it as true, the next question is, why, when you now see it was an entirely inappropriate party, is the organiser (your principal private secretary) still in post?
If B sacks him now, he increases the risk of other No 10 leaks against him. If he confirms the pps still has his confidence, then his apology looks insincere and he is condoning the party (not as if the pps is a young clerical officer, for whom a poor judgement would be understandable).
Personally I thought the allegedly forensic Starmer was poor and achieved nothing.
January 12, 2022 at 19:36 #1577740“The Conservative Party members (predominantly middle class and elderly) have the final vote”
Here we are in one the world’s great ‘democracies’ talking about how a few thousand mainly old, white wealthy men get to decide who our next PM is, but I digress.
If the other options weren’t so horrendously unpalatable, Johnson would have been long gone. That’s the trouble when you are yourself inept and surround yourself with sycophants, yes (wo)men and promote people based on their political beliefs rather than their capability. Eventually you paint yourself into a corner.
Looking at the favourites, Sunak is probably the least bad of a very bad bunch. Truss is hopeless (wasn’t it her who tried to flog cheese to the largely lactose intolerant Japanese?), Hunt probably safe enough but severely lacking charisma. I’d love to see inside Gove’s cupboard full of skeletons, that would be almost as good as Johnson’s.
The only other question is, will he be gone in time to keep Andy off tomorrow’s front pages?
January 12, 2022 at 19:44 #1577742He won’t go he,ll have to be pushed , George Boris has denied seeing a invite …does make you wonder how he knew to go to said party
January 12, 2022 at 20:01 #1577743Will Conservative members – predominately middle class and elderly Christians – vote for Sunak, a Hindu?
Value Is EverythingJanuary 12, 2022 at 20:14 #1577745……they voted for Boris
January 12, 2022 at 20:30 #1577746Hasn’t Johnson already broken the ministerial code by saying he didn’t know about any parties?
January 12, 2022 at 20:37 #1577747Moe …yep
January 12, 2022 at 20:40 #1577748Yes ginger they will
January 12, 2022 at 21:05 #1577753Johnson to still be PM at the 2022 Tory Party Conference –
NO 1.66
YES 2.44Source: Betfair Exchange.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"January 12, 2022 at 21:39 #1577768The odds for yes pretty much sum up where we’re at as a country, it’s 9 months away.
I have to say this incident has just about achieved the impossible and pretty much drawn a consensus from a bunch of people who usually argue until, and indeed a long time after, the cows come home.
January 12, 2022 at 22:16 #1577778January 12, 2022 at 22:16 #1577779“I have to say this incident has just about achieved the impossible and pretty much drawn a consensus from a bunch of people who usually argue until, and indeed a long time after, the cows come home”.
Are you talking about Labour and Corbyn, Richard?

One thing Conservatives are known for is axing their leaders quickly once becoming a liability.
Corbyn – the anti-semite – was a liability from day one of his leadership and yet fought two elections as Labour leader.
Value Is EverythingJanuary 12, 2022 at 22:31 #1577782I have made this point before.
The Tories are generally more efficient at winning elections than Labour because
1 They get behind their Leader unless said Leader becomes an electoral liability.
2 They get rid fast if the latter happens.
How many Tory Leaders got a second chance after losing an election?
They even got rid of Thatcher when they decided her time was up.
Ruthless.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"January 13, 2022 at 05:31 #1577801Well let’s hope they stick to tradtion and put him out his misery ..sooner rather than later
January 13, 2022 at 08:36 #1577806You’d have to ask a Labour member or voter about that Ginger, I am neither. Labour’s failure to provide meaningful opposition in recent times is part of the problem.
The reason people get ‘outraged at the rule breakers’ is becuase in this case they were the rule makers. As I said about the ‘meeting’ previously, I don’t actually have a huge problem with some work colleagues gathering outside during covid but only if the rest of us were allowed to do the same. Most of us obeyed the rules in good faith, thousands missed saying goodbye to loved ones etc. It feels personal, that’s why it resonates more with people.
I’m actually far more concerned about things like unlawful awarding of contracts and their plans for the criminalisation of protest but they don’t get the same emotional reaction from people.
January 13, 2022 at 12:13 #1577819“I’m actually far more concerned about things like unlawful awarding of contracts and their plans for the criminalisation of protest but they don’t get the same emotional reaction from people.”
Same applies to climate change, probably the single biggest problem facing humanity but doesn’t generate much coverage as it isn’t emotive enough.
January 13, 2022 at 15:13 #1577846The government are pushing no end of nasty things through parliament at the moment while people are just talking about drinks parties. And Johnson has done far worse things over the past few years. But people can’t seem to relate to unlawfully trying to prorogue parliament: giving Arcuri thousands of pounds etc etc. Just going to check the Nuance podcast. I’ve realised that’s why I don’t read much these days: too busy watching catchup tv and listening to podcasts. Greg Jenner has got a couple more podcasts on the go along with the excellent You’re Dead to Me, which has a nuance corner. I have to be honest and admit I don’t actually understand what nuance means so I’m about to learn something now. And realise, to my shame, that I’m probably an arch nuancer….
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