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Fwiw. I listen to the today programme more or less right through every morning. The idea that it appeases the tories is simply ludicrous
Its very impartial but does have quite an underlying woke agenda at times which would hardly be seen as “appeasing tories”. Last year there was a near daily piece on slavery which im pretty sure got eyes rolling on all sides of t(e political divide
I also think some should actually listen or watch the media before spouting leftish lazy drivel. Todays interview with raab a few weeks back was a hostile as I’ve heard. Nick Robison never gives an easy ride
Last week it ran a piece on the sinking of the beglgrano. A bit late some might say but is that anything other than geared to winding up the right? It was a entirely pointless piece although In fairness did have a military expert take down those stil, squealing about it
They are not squealing now because their 40 year old protests were destroyed as I stated, so you cam rest easy
I actually wrote to the bbc about the slavery coverage. I said you are supposed to be a public sector broadcaster so you could at least tell me where I can buy some
‘Todays interview with raab a few weeks back was a hostile as I’ve heard. Nick Robison never gives an easy ride’
It’s the media’s job, amongst other things, to hold the government to account. Good to know somebody is capable of it at least.
woke, adjective: Originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice
Still curious as to how being ‘woke’ is a bad thing.
Sorry Clive , I just don’t understand your comment about squealing; who is squealing? Is it connected to the Exocet dispute?
“But Starmer doesn’t seem to have won over the public despite a host of PMQs takedowns of Johnson.”
Very few people outside the Westminster bubble care about that. PMQs is theatre for the media. How many people watch it or read about it?
Lisa Nandy is right when she criticises Starmer for spending far too much time point scoring against Johnson but little if any time talking about the issues which matter to the sort of people Labour need to win back if it is serious about winning the next election.
Note that Starmer represents a London constituency, whereas Nandy represents a northern, working class constituency. Starmer may be able to afford to loftily ignore those people, Nandy cannot. Her majority has already halved since she first won.
It is not enough for Labour to stack up large majorities in London (which due to demographic changes is now safe for Labour). It needs to start winning in its former heartlands again – but last week it actually went backwards in some of those areas. It lost a council seat to an independent in the area where I grew up. That would have been unthinkable even just a few years ago.
Throw in some of the other points raised about Starmer – his wooden manner and lack of charisma, his inability to say what a woman is because he does not want to upset a tiny but vocal minority on Twitter – and you have someone who is unlikely to lead Labour to victory. Although to be fair, the loss of Labour’s Scottish seats makes that a difficult task for any Labour leader.
Fair points cork but the tories are under real threat in seats they’ve taken for granted too. In the south the lib dems are very capable of taking many seats
The whole culture of this Tory party turns many middle class voters off. It comes across as nasty and petty and arrogant as well as incompetent with a leader with zero vision and a self centered desire for nothing but his own position which is illustrated by his dreadful talentless cabinet (with some exceptions who will no doubt be sacked to be replaced with dullards)
The flag waving nationalism and the vile priti patels hostility to any immigration (when we have labour shortages ffs) doesn’t cut through. Even Ukrainians have been treated like they are nothing more than a nuisance And although I was marginally for brexit as a long term desire it’s certainly not a resounding success In the short term and genuinely hated by huge mumbers of right leaning voters.
Of course when someone in that cabinet cuts through (rishi) it’s followed by all out war on his ambitions. That’s politics maybe but for all his missteps I would hazard a guess that most voters see rishi as decent and extremely smart. I would have him as pm All day long
Boris is a liability down here. His ratings are awful. Its often assumed that just working class voters are turned off by entitled arrogant Etonian Oxbridge types (Eton and Oxbridge alone aren’t a problem as many previous politicians proved) but that stretches right across even very prosperous relatively prviliged voters.
And anyway. I know someone who was at Oxford with him and she’s emphatic that he’s an even bigger **** than most report (and as attractive as an unflushed toilet ).
Like most ***** they can get away wit( it for a while but are ultimately exposed for what they are
Easy to see a lib dem Labour coalition next time
“Very few people outside the Westminster bubble care about that. PMQs is theatre for the media. How many people watch it or read about it?”
You’re clearly right, CAS, as I haven’t seen so many ruthless takedowns of a PM since the late John Smith users to regularly humiliate John Major yet it’s had negligible impact on the ratings.
As a Labour voter, I still haven’t forgiven the Lib-Dems for forming a coalition with the Tories in 2010.
I know they were the biggest Party but the Lib-Dems spent the 2010 campaign claiming to be more left wing than Labour.
A lot of Labour tactical voters said “never again” to voting Lib Dem strategically after that.
A Labour-Lib Dem coalition might sow the seeds for reconciliation and the forming of some sort of progressive alliance in a country where the anti-Tory vote is in excess of 50% yet the Tories has still been able to govern for 12 years and counting.
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PMQ does cut through with some voters without question but tv appearances more so.
Such as Elsie. Riding around on a bus all day to keep warm. Answer?
“I introduced bus passes”
And even that was a lie..
I would strongly suggest that there is no party leader in living memory that would have given such a stupid response on every single level.
I have no intention of defending the government, Clive! Especially after what it has done over the last two years. To be honest, I could not care less who wins the next election. They are as bad as each other.
We have all seen governments perform poorly in mid-term elections but then go on to win the General Election. As it stands now, I still think that could be the most likely outcome.
However, the unknown factor is: How bad will the economy get? Double digit inflation is just around the corner with more interest rate rises and energy price increases as well. I think it is plausible to see a winter of power cuts, food shortages and home repossessions.
It is difficult to see how the government would become more popular if that happens. But it is a sign of how badly Labour is doing that I am not convinced it would result in voters turning to them instead.
If you take out London, Labour only gained 3 more councils and made a net gain of just 22 councillors. That is dismal for an Opposition in mid term.
Even London was not without its problems. Labour lost seats in Croydon. Most strikingly, it was humiliated in Tower Hamlets by a party which is the personal vehicle for someone who has just served a five year ban for corrupt and illegal practices. Even he is more popular than Starmer with some people!
I think you have a good grasp of the situation CAS. It’s grim just now,and to
be homest I don’t see a change in that any time soon.I think Starmer is a decent man, but he lacks the gravitas of a leader.
He speaks well and doesn’t miss Boris when they make a pig’s ear of things,
but he is sadly lacking in vision.Last year at the labour party conference, as if to imply we all need to look
at ourselves he said “In a way, the more we expose the inadequacy of this
government, the more it presses the question back on us. If they are so bad,
what does it say about us?”A year on, what does it say about them?. I think his own words will come back
to haunt him.Starmer doesn’t have the buffoon qualities of Johnson, and is too much Blair-light for me. But if England is serious about holding onto Scotland and N Ireland, they would get rid of Johnson, who is hopelessly unpopular in both places. But they aren’t.
Im not sure those things will come about cork. Theres always the doomsayers in the media with their agendas, just as in Covid (and look how thats turned out now following the WHO report). It was the clowns at “independent” Sage with their constant WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE and blatantly transparent far left politics that got the attention whilst South African experts and more moderate voices, who proved to be bang on the money, were sneered at and drowned out
Many economists seem to believe the energy prices will roll back and inflation the same. And no chance of power cuts surely? there is no supply issue at all
I think the economy aspect here is a bit overrated here perhaps? Most voters surely get that its mostly driven by external factors.
I am bored as anyone with Partygate but its stuck with voters and won’t be let go. there is real hatred for his team here. It started with the one who had to resign joking about it all and just mushroomed.
I reckon its one of those issues that he won’t shake off and Kiers transgressions are simply not seen in the same scale or light
Whether starmer’s trangressions are on a par with Boris’s or not,
at least he has moral decency to say that if he is fined by the
police he will resign.Starmer might yet turn this situation to, if not his own, then Labour’s advantage.
If he’s not fined, he carries on as Leader Of The Opposition with more moral high ground than ever.
If he’s fined, he will resign and might just take Johnson down with him.
And Starmer could still yet become the political “comeback kid” further down the line.
An interesting turn of events.
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