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No Gladiateur, in particular it was those remain MPs who despite their majority constituents voted to leave decided they thought they knew best and voted against in Parliament.
Well that’s clearly a stupid remark gladiateur but not quite sure what that’s got to do with this?
More on the thread. There was some very slanted reporting on GDP forecasts for uk by yen bbc this week which was ridiculously selective (taken apart already by economists)and also given strange prominence in the news.
I wasn’t massively pro leave and have voted all three parties but has constitently been very slanted on brexit imo.
What’s bigger BigG, lying to fellow members,
Or, Trying to thwart democracy in this country betraying the millions of people you are
supposed to be serving, the reason why Parliament exists in the first place. I would say
by far it is the latter.
—————————————————————————————–He isn’t just lying to fellow members, he’s lying to the people of the UK. This isn’t even
an opinion of mine, it’s the rules put it place to ensure that the country isn’t lied to.
If you are happy voting for someone who is an untrustworthy lying leader, if you think it’s
not important that thousands of people were deprived of seeing their family members and friends
in their last hours because of the rules passed by a PM who decided these rules applied to others,
but not to him, then you can vote for the man, if he is still in position at the next election.
I expect, by what you have said that you will. Personally I think he’s the most disengenuous PM
I have ever seen, and not just because of “Partygate”. If the party have any moral standing/common
sense (debateable) they will remove him.And N Ireland voted remain, but like Scotland, we are hostage to England’s larger population. Brexit has been like Christmas for Sinn Fein; just when we had entered a post-nationalist phase, Brexit has stirred up all the old animosities. Assembly elections coming up, Sinn Fein might well be the largest party, which will be a disaster.
But England, and it’s permanent Tory majority, doesn’t care.Northern Ireland is part of the UK, befair.
It was a UK referendum.
Being a UK referendum everyone in the UK had the right to one vote – that’s fair.
In a UK referendum nobody has a veto and no country has a veto…
Otherwise it would be like one country has many more votes per person than another country.
Any part of the UK can not hold the rest of the Uk back.
Neither can any part of the UK blackmail the rest of the UK.
What Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland or England voted is irrelevant in a UK referendum.
Only how the UK voted matters in a UK referendum.
Democracy in a referendum means doing what the majority want.If Northern Ireland does not want to be part of the UK it can decide to leave.
Value Is EverythingLondon voted heavily remain too
And what if Scottish and ni votes had carried remain over the line against the wishes of north and midlands England? Could quite easily have happened of course
We’ve also had Labour governments elected because of Scottish and Welsh constituencies. Those Scottish votes were grossly over represented too with much smaller constituencies than in the England too. Fact
I voted remain.
Even campaigned for remain on TRF.
After the referendum I was imagining all sorts…
Ashamed to say I immediately signed the petition for another referendum…
Now realising it was like saying the votes of everyone in the first referendum did not matter.Value Is EverythingEngland’s greater population essentially treats the rest of us as colonies; no equality there
Ginger wrote..
“I’ve voted remain.
Even campaigned for remain on TRF.”No worries mate you’re still here.
Answer the point about overrepresentatiin of Scottish MPs before you come out wit( that colonies garbage
Wales voted leave
If Scotland had swung the overall vote to remain, would wales be “colonised’ by Scotland?
Is London colonised by t(e rest of England?
Not only over-representation of Scottish MPs per voter, but Northern Ireland as well… Or it would be.
If the people of Northern Ireland want a greater say in what goes on, you would think they’d vote for MPs that actually sat in parliament.
The country with the fewest MPs per person is England.
Value Is Everything“England’s greater population essentially treats the rest of us as colonies; no equality there”.
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Nationalist propaganda.
It is the people of Northern Ireland that treats itself as a colonySo often, you can’t even sit in your own parliament at Stormont without falling out. Essentially forcing (not “England”) Britain to run Northern Ireland for you. Forcing Britain to treat you as a colony. For decades we’ve been bending over backwards to accommodate Northern Ireland. eg About time Northern Ireland’s abortion laws were the same as the rest of the UK.
Personally – and am sure I speak for the majority of Britain too… I am happy for Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK for however long the majority of Northern Ireland wants to stay. ie I’d be just as happy for you not to be in the UK if (and only “IF) that’s what the majority of Northern Ireland wants. How is that treating you as a colony?
Value Is EverythingFor my English friends, to explain the implications of #Brexit + a Tory govt.
N Ireland was created ~100 yrs ago, with a deliberately inbuilt Unionist majority, 65% unionist, 35% nationalist, + controlled by the Ulster Unionist Party
During the next 50 yrs, there was no effort to integrate the nationalist minority, and discrimination against them was accepted (and ignored by successive British goverments)
For example, up till the 1970s N Ireland had 12 seats at Westminster, The Ulster Unionist Party, despite having only (by now) 60% of the population, would win 11 of the 12, due to corrupt gerrymandering of the constituencies
In the late 1960s, the Civil Rights Association began protests against this type of discrimination; initially violently repressed, the Ulster Unionist Party did make some attempts at compromise.
These compromises were opposed by the newly-formed Protestant Unionist Party, much later to be renamed the Democratic Unionist Party, who thought the Ulster Unionist Party weren’t bigoted enough.
So with no political compromise, the Troubles began, 30 years of death and destructionIn the years since, the demographics have changed, nd now, far from the unionists returning 11 from 12 MPs to Westminster, nationalists now return the majority.
I’m from a (Irish) nationalist background, but that is very secondary to my ambition that our young people can look forward to a peaceful future, with a good standard of education and healthcare, and a safe and clean environment; some issues, like climate change and anthropogenic extinctions, demand a global approach, and nationalism and tribalism are fatal to any realistic solutions.
During the London Olympics I was overwhelmed by their dynamism, the imagination, the self-confidence; I remember thinking if Jessica Ennis was queen I could buy into this new UK. But the degeneration since then has been depressing; now it’s all fear and suspicion and blaming outsidersAfter the Good Friday Agreement, Northern Ireland was entering a post-nationalist phase, the sense of being able to identify as either British or Irish and being part of something bigger; but Brexit (aka English nationalism) has destroyed that
Like Scotland, N Ireland simply can’t tolerate being governed by an unrepresentative right-wing Conservative government.
So, ironically, what will lead to the break-up of the UK is not Irish or Scottish nationalism, but English nationalism; a united Ireland + an independent Scotland within a decade?This is total nonsense once again. The idea that Britain turned to “fear and suspicion” and dislike of outsiders since 2012 is simply laughable.
Out of all European states this is by some distance the most integrated and successfully multicultural of any.
Go to Madrid Berlin and Rome and come back and tell me what you see
And let’s get to France. See the polling?
Shall we go on?
This is pure Anglo phobia. You refused to address any of the points raised about the preferable treatments of Scotland and Wales and you make sweeping ridiculous statements
And Scotlands independence polling is going nowhere. Supposedly going to rocket after brexit and done the opposite
Clive: just because you say something is “laughable” doesn’t mean it is.
As someone who is non-white, I can assure you that I have experienced more overt racism since the Brexit vote than at any time since the 1970s, and that the same applies to ALL of my family and friends.
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