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It’s Starmer’s job to call for Johnson to resign, but….

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  • #1594814
    Blackcountry Kid
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    I’ve stayed out of this until now,but lets put things into some sort of perspective.
    That Blair creature lied to Parliament and took this this country into an illegal war on those lies!
    Starmer as Brexit minister,now Labour leader,along with the Lib Dems,SNP etc was quite prepared to ignore a vote to leave the EU and overturn a democratic decision made by the people.You also had Gina Miller try to stop the UK from leaving and that’s not to mention the BBC & Bercow.
    Why?
    They all have an arrogance that they knew best!
    Partygate as it’s been christened just doesn’t compare in importance or as a significant event.
    good luck to all

    #1594815
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    It,ll be interesting to see how many abstain tomorrow , one thing is for sure even if he survives this if the Tories get massacred in the local elections the knives will be out ….he,s a dead man walking

    #1594825
    GSP
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    Red Rum 77, the increase in the license fee for our most vulnerable elders was punishment and revenge for them ever daring to vote for Brexit.

    BCK, the biggest story for four hundred years and the BBC missed it. When Parliament tried to destroy our democracy and voted against the instruction of the majority of people.
    Starmer and Co were never held accountable for that, those actions were far far worse than those of Johnson.

    HDLG, you are probably right but our mainly far left media have ensured along with Trump, along with Farage that he is the next pantomime villain, it’s no co-incidence the far left BBC are against the Centre Right.
    What disappoints me this time is Joe Public who from seeing carefully edited and packaged news against Johnson are not for turning on this one.

    Even now in the States, the big well massive thing there is the Durham report which strongly suggests it was Hilary Clinton who was actually spying on Trump before and when he was actually in the Whitehouse and tried to frame him with Russian ties.
    It’s huge and will probably end up far bigger than Watergate, but no absolutely nothing here from the BBC.
    I wonder why, they stink!

    #1594844
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Speaking as someone on the centre-right here are my thoughts on the broadcasters…

    Do agree BBC are anti-Brexit. However I’d describe the BBC as centre-left, GSP; not “far left”… not yet. Although they did choose to ignore a lot of the Corbynite extremes. Now Starmer is King Leftie the BBC are falling over to please him, indeed they are against the centre-right. BBC aren’t as left wing as Channel 4 though. ITV may be a touch left but seem to be more centre than the other two. Sky centre-right (largely not as right as they once were) and GB News more right still without being “far”.

    I wouldn’t trust the American media. Seems very little centre ground there. CNN has an obvious bias towards the Democrats and Fox News an even greater bias towards Republicans. Hope it never goes that far in Britain. Personally my centre-right views are far more in tune with Democrats than Republicans. The latter being if not far right, too “right” for me.

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    #1594858
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    True Gingertipster if we think it’s toxic at times here, America is in a terrible mess.
    And by those channels here you mention allowed to have political views and preferences only spells disaster here too.

    Their messages and thoughts can be too influential, and that is totally wrong.
    We just want them to report the news as it is without their take, end of.

    #1594867
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    The BBC propped up the corrupt N Ireland regime for almost a century and is overtly biased against the Scottish independence movement; it remains an establishment organ. Apart from their wildlife programmes, I won’t miss it.
    England is permanently Tory, so it doesn’t really matter which liar is PM.

    #1594882
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    It was the Tories under Cameron that brought in Free TV licence for over 75’s. Now BBC has to fund their overpaid presenters they making over 75’s pay (except those on pension credit). Long before this came an issue I thought why don’t they make it subscription based and scramble it to non payers. Only who will pay for repeats.

    The best things in life are free.
    But you can give them to the birds and bees.

    #1594898
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    From GSP: ‘The BBC are far left, and racist!’

    Just so I get this right, is this the same BBC where the chairman had a career in banking, is a former advisor to both Johnson and Sunak, a former director of a right wing think tank and has donated over £400K to the Conservative party? Is it the same BBC where the Director General has a CV of working for big business, was a former Conservative party candidate for election and held office in the Conservative party at a local level? The same BBC that has several business people on its board including a former communications director for No 10 Downing Street for the Conservatives?

    Just asking in case there’s another BBC I’m not aware of.

    And just so we are fully aware of what you mean would you explain what you consider ‘far left’.

    #1594925
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    Politics is a foul game and parliament and parliamentarians tell “untruths” all the time.
    The reason they use the word “untruth” is that lying in parliament, or to be more specific,
    being found guilty of lying in parliamaent crosses the red line set by themselves. All parties
    would call for the resignation of members, including PM’s, to stand down. These are the rules
    set by parliament, you can’t defend your own member if he has lied in the house. No number of
    grovelling apologies changes this.

    The BBC may be far left, left, left of centre, centre right whatever. Hilary Clinton may be the
    devil in carnate. Parties may/may not have tried to change a democratic vote. These may be issues,
    but they have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that if a member knowingly lies to parliament,
    and it is PROVED, he stands down. You can’t hold them up against lying in parliament, no matter how
    unsavoury they may be. They are seperate issues, not loopholes for someone to hold up against the
    fact that they lied as a get out of jail free card.

    Boris knows this, every member of the house knows this. If he is allowed to get away with knowingly
    lying in the house, then they might as well rip up their own rule book, and I would say this if it
    were Boris, Starmer, Blackford or Davey.

    #1594931
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    I thought the existence and main role of Parliament BigG was to serve the people, that’s why it’s there full stop.

    Sorry, but I see a bigger reason why hundreds of MPs should have resigned soon after the 2016 referendum. In fact this reason was the fabric of our society, democracy, and left as it was these people try to destroy it in our country.
    Bigger than lies between MPs, these people thought they knew better than the people they are supposed to serve.

    But was there any call for their heads, no, that was the bigger crime.

    Most got their come uppence however in the 2019 election. The amount of remainers who lost their seats was staggering, but just.
    The people did have their say in the end, democracy was upheld, led by Boris, some faith was restored in our politics.

    Now going back, where were the BBC, calling for their remainer MPs heads, no.
    Were they up in arms when Parliament failed to pass the democratic instruction of the people, the one MPs were supposed to serve, no, because they wanted us to stay in the EU and were quite happy with the stalemate.
    If it was the other way round, the BBC would have been actively trying to get rid of MPs who failed the people.

    I say this, it seems the media choose what the bigger topics are relevant to them and their agenda’s and political standing.

    Starmer, Blackford etc they shouldn’t even be in Parliament having betrayed the people of this country, that’s the far far bigger crime.

    #1594970
    InputDelay
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    UK politics has somehow become more toxic than US politics.
    Democracy falling on its arse.
    Lets go Swiss….

    #1594974
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    GSP. “I thought the existence and main role of Parliament BigG was to serve the people,
    that’s why it’s there full stop.”
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    Full stop? regardless of purposley lying to the house and the people he was supposed
    to serve ?

    #1594987
    clivexx
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    Some laughable stuff here

    The bbc has been fawning over the SNP. During the elections it was so transparent that it elicited ofcom complaints I recall?

    Some people post what their small minded prejudices want to believe and no more

    #1595008
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    What’s bigger BigG, lying to fellow members,
    Or,
    Trying to thwart democracy in this country betraying the millions of people you are supposed to be serving, the reason why Parliament exists in the first place.
    I would say by far it is the latter.

    Never were these people held to account for trying to kill our democracy, there was nothing about going against the will of the people.

    In the end, the 2019 election managed to get rid a lot of the clinker and betrayers.

    But as people and organisations such as the BBC, I will never forgive or forget what they tried to do to this country.

    #1595010
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    “Starmer, Blackford etc they shouldn’t even be in Parliament having betrayed the people of this country”

    62% of Blackford’s country voted to remain.

    #1595013
    clivexx
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    That’s the stat I always love.

    So nigh on 4 /10 Scot’s voted leave.

    And yet we are fed that remain was “overwhelming” there

    It wasn’t. Doesn’t need much explaining but if just 3 in twenty Scot’s voters switched their vote then it would have been a leave majority

    Bet the bbc reported that …

    #1595015
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    And the overall vote was 52-48, yet we have people saying that any politician who stood for remain is a traitor to the British people. 🤷‍♂️

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