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What chance would peeping fawn have against the boys if she takes her chance in the international stakes,i would love to see her in that race,considering connectoins have alexandrova for the yorkshire oaks and it would be a shame to have them 2 taking on each other.
Why would it be a shame to see the two Oaks winners taking each other on?
She wont run in the Juddmonte.
George Washington looks to be Aidan O’Brien’s main representative. He and Authorized will try to avenge their Eclipse defeat by last years’s Juddmonte winner, Notnowcato.
Three year olds have a poor record in recent years but I fancy Authorized to come good this time – that is, if the ground is not too firm.
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O’Brien has cleared up his Juddmonte runners by declaring that both George Washington and Dylan Thomas are ‘definite possibles’.
I’d expect Dylan Thomas to be saved for another shot at the Irish Champion Stakes on September 8th.
I cant see George winning this. Maybe my memory is rubbish as usual, but York is often a strangely (or just seemingly) difficult course for runners to pick up with sudden bursts of late speed (is it the nature of the turf there?). Thats GW’s biggest asset of course.
Still not convinced 10f is ideal either
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I cant see George winning this. Maybe my memory is rubbish as usual, but York is often a strangely (or just seemingly) difficult course for runners to pick up with sudden bursts of late speed (is it the nature of the turf there?). Thats GW’s biggest asset of course.
Still not convinced 10f is ideal either
Good God Clivex, not that old saw about it being difficult to come from off the pace at York?
It’s a pure invention by ill-informed pundits who, having watched a few American races, believe that dirt-racing maxims can be applied to British races on turf.I cant see George winning this. Maybe my memory is rubbish as usual, but York is often a strangely (or just seemingly) difficult course for runners to pick up with sudden bursts of late speed (is it the nature of the turf there?). Thats GW’s biggest asset of course.
Still not convinced 10f is ideal either
Good God Clivex, not that old saw about it being difficult to come from off the pace at York?
It’s a pure invention by ill-informed pundits who, having watched a few American races, believe that dirt-racing maxims can be applied to British races on turf.Reet,
It’s not impossible to come from off the pace at York, nor can it be clearly known as a front runners track.
But believe me, if you wanted me to sift through hours and hours and hours of York footage, I would be able to conclusive prove that more winners come from the front half of the field, than they do from the back half of the field.
I did some research on this about 6 years ago, and really wish I kept my results, but I think it was about 70/30 in favour of winners coming from the front end, as opposed to the back end in all races ran at York for the previous 3 years.
My research was by no means bomb proof, in fact it was simply based on the fact that if it was a 20 runner race, then the ‘front end’ was the horses racing in the first 10 places, and the ‘back end’ was the horses racing in the last 10 places. My results were that far more winners came from the front end, and York was the leading track for this.
Mike
Good stuff Micky. I am sure you are right. Does appear to be the way there. Its odd and interesting how courses pan out. I cant see this being the right conditions for GW myself
I like to back a horse with a certain degree of confidence attached. I backed George Washington with extreme confidence to win the 2,000 guineas of 2006. I can honestly say that if I was to put money on him winning a race now, it would be more in hope.
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Good stuff Micky. I am sure you are right. Does appear to be the way there. Its odd and interesting how courses pan out. I cant see this being the right conditions for GW myself
Thanks Clivex,
And my honest opinion (and it is just an opinion) is that in the last 5 years, the advantage to racing ‘handy’ at York is even more pronounced than it was when I did my research.
I have a lot of spare time on my hands at present, I might just watch re-runs of York races over the last few years…….. or surely I could find something better to do
Mike
Oh, and a footnote to that Clivex.
The only jockey that I know on a personal basis is David Allan, who as you know is based in the North and has ridden many races at York. He is of the the exact same opinion as me.
Mike
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So taking results from the front 10 horses as opposed to the back 10 is conclusive proof? Try your daft theory on the Grand National.
God spare me from theorisers!:lol:
There is no logical reason why York should favour front-runners, and even if the turf was ‘dodgy’, it would still be the same for every horse that ran over it?Clivex.
If GW is ever to win at 10f, it would be probably be on a flat sharpish 10f on fast ground, all of which he may have at York.
Would still need the spoilers in to slow the race up though, imo.
Not a dodgy theory at all. There has to be more to the strength of front runners (although this isnt strictly about front runners…more the advantage of racing handy) at certain courses than simply gradients or tightness of the course?
Newmarket in the autumn has similar characteristics to York. Theres more to it that simply the "going" surely…
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