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  • #339501
    Zorro
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    Get some accreditation and turn up for the international races at the end of April, Pru. I cannot commend the deal too highly.

    Racing is quite popular in Hong Kong even though there are no legal bookies. Inexplicable if you believe what our "bookmaking industry" (read "organised scam" if you like)claims to contribute to the sport in Britain. Just the 96,000 fee paying customers last Saturday. But of course very few of them are interested in betting since no fixed odds available, which is probably why they only turned over HK$1.261 billion between them (just over £100 million)that day. Around £11 million to the government. Around £4.2 million for the Jockey Club to spend on prize money and charitable initiatives.

    They had a scratch card competition in which the prizes were worth more than an entire Saturday racecard in Britain.

    That’s one day’s racing.

    Poacher turned gamekeeper maybe, Ricky. But I’d rather be working for a system I believe in than turn out what are effectively pro-bookmaker press releases for a newspaper that depends on the bookies for its existence.
    Remind me again how much we manage to squeeze out of the bookies in Levy.
    If British racing fans realised there was an alternative they’d be imitating the action of the Tunisians and Egyptians, wouldn’t they?

    #339514
    Venusian
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    Spot on Zorro, but who will listen here?

    #339515
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    Zorro , could not agree more , if you check out my last 20 posts or so , it will soon be evident that I think British racing is being run and controlled by a bunch of hapless buffoons

    When the final curtain falls ..ie the tote is bought by a bookie or a group of bookies , then the fun will begin, people will be wishing we had a system like Hong Kong ….instead of the bookie-race course cartel that beckons , where they and they alone will decide what racing and for how much …fun it wont be IMHO

    Enjoy proper racing sir , as our game needs a phoenix like revolution here before it will be any way meaningful again

    dream on !!!

    Ricky

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    Isn’t comparing HK racing to UK racing (particularly attendance stats and lottery revenues) an apples and pears job?

    #339538
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    Corm , of course it is ,,,but we can always aspire to be better ,,,why settle for mediocrity

    cheers

    Ricky

    #339551
    Glenn
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    I think I speak for everyone involved in British racing when I say you show incredibly bad taste showing up here Haigh. The sport doesn’t need traitors like you.

    We all read your infantile scrawlings in the Post, back in the day, and we all thought the same – why doesn’t he just go and live in Russia?

    Quite frankly you can keep your commie nightmare of a betting system. Imagine a system where you open the Post to check Sir Tom’s tips and then find out you can’t take the prices he recommends. Sounds deadly dull, if not a tad ridiculous.

    Your tractor production figures don’t impress us. What’s the point fo having money if you waste it on pointless white elephants like weighing horses and sectional timing, as if they are any help to anybody.

    As for your accusations of press bias, they stench of sour grapes from a man who couldn’t cut the mustard in the land of the free and is reduced to writing copy for Pravda. They are entirely baseless as spelled out here:

    https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … 79641.html

    Here’s something that will wipe the smirk off your face: racing is increasingly a global market and soon punters will have a choice to bet on whichever country’s racing they prefer. The light at the end of the HK tunnel is that of an oncoming train. The juggernaught of British racing to be precise. You see in this country we have free enterprise, in the form of turf accountants, marketing our sport and they will ensure that British racing wins the publicity war.

    It will be a straight choice for Joe Punter in Kowloon: Do I want to bet on a race where everything’s trying, the stewards are awake and everyone gets the same price; or do I want to bet on a British race where cheats are welcomed back and connections can get on at bigger prices in the morning and spell out to me that the punted 5/4 jolly is going to be leaving its past form well behind it?

    Let’s face facts Haigh, Joe Punter will all be shouting "Tony Tony Tony" as they watch their bet pull away from toiling rivals, while Happy Valley will become a car park.

    #339588
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    :D quality sir , I believe you bat phone will be ringing soon ….you could be warned off indefinitely for …er telling it as it is

    What price Betfreddie gets his mits on the Tote ….fun and games then …plenty of aw specials …..meanwhile RFC will be introducing a stunning innovation ….buy one ticket for a premier event ….get one winter warmer ticket from Nov to Feb in Kempton AW Free ……oooh Joy

    Ricky

    #339591
    Glenn
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    Ah, The Bonus King. A fine example of everything that’s so great about betting in the land of the free. A man of upmost probity and integrity that epitomises the ‘my word is my bond’ values we have come to respect from the turf accountants Haigh so foolishly derides.

    Try getting Evens on Chelsea, in a match bet with Man U, as a member of the public in HK and see where you end up. In jail probably. Yet good old Fred laid it for a cool million without a second thought. Fearless and charismatic not faceless and beauracratic like the hell Haigh promotes.

    It’s good to see that our enlightened rulers have the business savvy to be getting a £50m lump sum for our tote. Why milk a cow for life when you can get its hide in one go? Oh I’m sure that in the long run of, say, a week a well run tote could generate that anyway. But in the long run we are all dead.

    #339595
    indocine
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    Patrick Jay head of sports trading at HKJC…

    Q. I have heard that since other bet types were introduced, Asian handicap now only accounts for around 3% of bets placed at HKJC. Is this true?

    "That’s not something I can disclose. But you can see from our margins, if we make HK$6.4bn from HK$39bn, our margins are 16%, Ladbrokes’ are 6% or 7%, SBOBet and IBC’s are half of 1%…you can do your own maths."

    #339662
    Aragorn
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    Glenn, don’t post or read on here that often anymore but your posts always make me laugh. I’m glad the one man PR wagon rolls on…..

    #339689
    Zorro
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    Mickmackmagoole
    Was a handy old tool
    Though not always, perhaps, to be trusted.
    But when money was down,
    Only a clown,
    Would oppose, and risk
    Getting busted.

    This came to me last night.

    Would Glenn publish simplified versions of his posts for us fickos?

    :D

    #421343
    wit
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    #421352
    Glenn
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    I’ve used the facility to pass on THE NEWS to Zorro.

    The day he dreamed about all those years ago, when trifectas would be offered on every race in Britain, has finally arrived!

    #421433
    wit
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    you’ve been published Glenn:

    http://campaign.hkjc.com/en/2012-longin … ntent.aspx

    might get a reply posted after Sha Tin finishes in a few hours.

    #421525
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    Recent Twitter comment:

    "Simon Rowlands‏@Rowleyfile
    A nice man from Coral has been on to say I can have the rest of the bet, as, due to a misunderstanding, they "did not know who I was"…..

    #421543
    wit
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    what else could that be but a reference to their "know your customer" obligations under the moneylaundering legislation ?

    #468391
    Zorro
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    Hope you are all paying attention to http://www.thoroughbredracing.com comments of any sort welcome :)

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