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    Venture to CognacVenture to Cognac
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    At this stage, I would usually just look at horses who haven’t ran in it before, but can’t not give a nod to Tiger Roll. O’Leary doesn’t sound keen on a third attempt, and talking of retirement after another attempt at The Cross Country. Obviously a major player again if he comes here, but that can’t be guaranteed at the moment.

    Elliot, having landed three of the last four renewals, will have a strong hand again, whether Tiger is there or not, and after his blanket approach this year, it’s hard to single out any horses in the yard who wouldn’t be considered. Some of his who I think could come into the equation are….

    Ben Dundee
    Champagne Classic
    Gun Digger
    It’s All Guesswork
    Woods Well

    I was disappointed that Pairofbrowneyes didn’t run at Aintree, and he might just be interesting after Fairyhouse, while the run of stablemate Cadmium, in The Topham, can’t be ignored.

    Talking of The Topham, Sub Lieutenant, who never really looked like a horse in need of a trip, fair rattled home, and not totally out of the question that they’ll try him at this trip. Mortal is another Gigginstown horse who’ll surely be in the frame for this.

    Other horses who I could see making a bid to continue the Irish dominance, are Mall Dini, Discorama, and particularly Any Second Now.

    Any Second Now looks like he’ll be a staple in the big handicaps over the coming seasons, and I’m very interested in him, along with another JP trio, Edwulf, No Comment, and Jerrysback.

    Jerrysback looks one of the best of the home team at this stage, but the obvious one for me right now is Ibis Du Rheu. I think he looks perfect for this, he’s on a smashing mark for Ayr next week, and a win there wouldn’t see him weighted out of a big 2019/20 season. My other fancy for next week is Dingo Dollar, but although I haven’t seen anything to the contrary, I just get the impression that it’s not on his agenda. Hopefully I’m wrong though, as I’d love to see him round there. It goes without saying that Give Me A Copper has potential, and he’s another who could come into it after this, and he’s some price at 66’s.

    This time last year I was very keen on Missed Approach, but I was underwhelmed with him in The Becher, before he got injured, but if he reappeared next season, showing no ill effects, then I would still be considering him.

    I’m surprised that Kildisart isn’t in the betting, but it’ll be interesting to see what kind of mark he gets after yesterday, that was a nice performance.

    I’ve no plans for an early bet in this, and early fancy, Ibis Du Rheu, isn’t priced up anyway, but the fact that Any Second Now is 33’s might just change things, while the 66’s on Jerrysback looks outstanding. Tempting.

    Early Shortlist
    Ibis Du Rheu
    Any Second Now 33’s
    Jerrysback 66’s

    peter .hpeter .h
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    I’d love to see Traffic Fluide and Yala Enki make the lineup after missing this year.

    Of those who ran yesterday it’s hard to ignore the runs from Magic Of Light and Walk In The Mill. The former showed impressive stamina to still challenge despite some howling mistakes and the latter blew me away by how much he kept finding despite being off the bridle a long way from home. A softer surface would see him to even better effect me reckons!

    One I’ll be keeping a close eye on going forward is Big River who finished with a wet sail at Cheltenham and I can’t help but see this race as a future target.

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    Backed Big River eachway in the Ultima and I’d stopped watching him after his jumping errors, must have had some engine to get up for 4th that day. I’d be very sweet on him for the Scottish National. Whether his jumping would up in this test though is doubtful.

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    I couldn’t not back Tiger Roll again, so I have.

    The other horse I’ve always thought could be a real National contender is Elegant Escape. It all depends on wlthe weight, of course, but he’ll be old enough next year and is well worth a go at 50s, I think.


    So don't run, just like the others always do

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    Hi VTC you certainly don’t waste any time . Hope you enjoyed Tiger s performance as much as I did and that you had some multiples come up with him. I remember asking your opinion during the pricewise challenge the other year and you reccomended Tiger so thanks for that the rest as they say is history !

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    On value, I’m with fivelongdays. EE at 50s is fine value on the assumption that Tizz gets his schedule right. He’s going to get a big weight anyway so I’d go Welsh National and Aintree – nothing else. He’s over raced the horse this season and it shows.

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference.

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    Agree with peter.h, Magic of Light and Walk In The Mill well worth a punt next year, also interested to find out that Mister Malarky is from the family of Dubacilla (one of my all time favourites) and Just So, if he is in the field next year will be one of my picks.

    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    Skybet are Non Runner No Bet
    might build up a bit of a kitty in case TR does run

    Member since March 2008
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    No shock my pal Bobby got thread up for this i heard he put it up 30 seconds after race finish at 5.26 :yes:


    Ones i like i agree with you VTC on Ibus du rheu but hope he wins at Ayr on saturday

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    One of the curiosities of this year’s race was the absence of younger horses – one 7yo and just five 8yo, mostly under the control of Wg Cdr Elliott as it happens. The shortage of progressive types may have made it easier for Tiger Roll to manage his repeat victory, but suggests there may be more of them than usual having a crack at the 2020 renewal.

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    I put this in the 2019 thread by mistake.

    For me One for Arthur is the one to take out of this year’s race. He ran an absolute belter considering he hadn’t ran a full race for two years.

    With an uninterrupted preparation next year he could be a real contender to win his crown back.

    He Didnt Like Ground
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    Surely the Tizzards will look at the gn for native river , hes lost some of his speed and looks at grade 1 level there going a tad too quick for him … to see out front jumping boldly …anyone give me a price for him

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    I think the Tizzards have two very good horses for this with both Elegant Escape and Native River. Both would obviously be carrying plenty of weight but for me seem to just lack the tactical speed in grade 1’s this year. Both won won the welsh national and appear to relish a longer trip.

    Would also be keen on Discorama if connections were keen on coming here.

    All that said I hope they bring back Tiger Roll and I’ll take the kids to see him win it again. My little girl has galloped all round the house today saying she’s “The Tiger” Only 6 and she loves him! :yahoo:

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    @He Didn’t Like The Ground

    Not sure Native River will be aimed at this next next year HDLTG, but he’d certainly be of
    interest if he was. The usual favourites have been priced up by most firms, but as far as
    I can see only Sky quote him at 25/1. It’s a bit risky in my opinion, but if he did go he
    would most certainly be a lot shorter than that. I’m holding off just now, but I’d be
    interested to hear any positive sounds about Jury Duty heading back for another crack.
    I think he was a bit unlucky early on and had to work his way back into the race, but
    looked to be doing well enough before Robbie Power was unceremoniously shipped out the
    side. No idea whether he would have managed the trip, but the signs were positive market
    wise before the off. I backed him at 33s and 22s, Hills are the only main bookie to price
    him at 40s, but I’ll need some indication he might be up for a return match before I part
    with any of my hard earned.

    Venture to CognacVenture to Cognac
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    HDLG, long term fan of Native River, and he’d bloody love it round there, I’d love to see it, but the owners, bar their involvement with Ultragold, have never entered their horses for it, despite several candidates. Golden Chieftain was entered once, but he had practically no chance of getting in off of his rating.

    Would be great to see Native River though.

    Graham, Jury Duty was a big “what if” horse yesterday, and I’ll follow him with interest next year, smashing horse, who really did impress me that day at Down Royal. More to come.

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