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Having watched the ride a few times now I don’t think there is any cause for alarm. Two of her three runs as a 2yo included the words "took a keen hold", she doesn’t look the most straight forward and a trick undualting track like Goodwood would of done her no favours at all.
A very very difficult ride for the jockey, he didn’t give her a bad racecourse experience just like stoute said "you get these fillies wrong and you can ruin them", the jockey felt she wasn’t going well and tried to keep her action when the race was over by teaching her to pass horses in the closing stages and she enjoyed it.
If you want, go look at Paul Hannagans ride on Duchess Dora at Beverley (A thread that was subsequently removed), a similar ride although on a more experienced mare.
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Having watched the ride a few times now I don’t think there is any cause for alarm. Two of her three runs as a 2yo included the words "took a keen hold", she doesn’t look the most straight forward and a trick undualting track like Goodwood would of done her no favours at all.
A very very difficult ride for the jockey, he didn’t give her a bad racecourse experience just like stoute said "you get these fillies wrong and you can ruin them", the jockey felt she wasn’t going well and tried to keep her action when the race was over by teaching her to pass horses in the closing stages and she enjoyed it.
If you want, go look at Paul Hannagans ride on Duchess Dora at Beverley (A thread that was subsequently removed), a similar ride although on a more experienced mare.
She travelled well throughout, was perfectly balanced and didn’t look in the least bit awkward. And when did the presence of the words ‘took a keen hold’ in a horse’s form become justification for not making them competitive in the future?
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A bit of selective seeing there AJ.
I’ve said my piece on the matter and would be interesting to see more opinions in the coming days but I think it’s blown way out of proportion and would be slightly concerned if a ride like this is making people angry and hurt.
Good night anyway
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A bit of selective seeing there AJ.
I’ve said my piece on the matter and would be interesting to see more opinions in the coming days but I think it’s blown way out of proportion and would be slightly concerned if a ride like this is making people angry and hurt.
Good night anyway
Your use of the word ‘selective’ implies I’m looking for something that isn’t there, MRW, or at the very least that I’m ignoring unequivocal evidence to suit a pre-conceived or fundamentally flawed argument.
Submission is keen in the early stages – as are five of her opponents (three more so) – and shows no sign of greenness or temperament at any stage: she isn’t sweating, she doesn’t hang, she doesn’t carry her head awkwardly, she doesn’t flash her tail and she doesn’t change her legs. Guillambert simply doesn’t touch her and, as far as I can tell, he has no reason not to.
So, what am I failing to see?
Submission’s trainer, Luca Cumani, says in today’s Stable Tour in the Post that "the race didn’t pan out for her and she didn’t have the best of rides".
Just to be clear, I’m not for one minute suggesting the filly was "not off", as the saying goes. My view is that after meeting trouble in running – it was a rough race – the jockey accepted far too early that Submission’s chance had gone. Everything he did in the last couple of furlongs reflected that. Not only did he not pick up his stick, he didn’t even push her out properly with hands and heels. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that she could have got third place and that each-way backers were therefore "robbed".
Punters look to the stewards and the BHA to protect their interests and on this occasion that just didn’t happen. My main concern, as suggested by the title of this thread, is the unaccountable failure even to hold an enquiry.
Submission’s trainer, Luca Cumani, says in today’s Stable Tour in the Post that "the race didn’t pan out for her and she didn’t have the best of rides".
What concerns me about the ride is that rarely do you see a Cumani horse gambled on like that one these days,that was defineately a stable job that cut her from 16/1 to 6/1 and yet even allowing for the poor ride excuse,the filly should still have finished 3rd at worse,Guillambert never touched her,i would have imagined he of all people would have known there was going to be a gamble on her and realising he had lost all chance of winning would have been riding hell for leather to at least salvage place money.If that filly is a 79 rated horse my names Ruprect.
I find it incredible that when someone says something along the lines of, "That ride was fantastic", no one bats an eyelid.
But when someone says something along the lines of, "That ride was a disgrace", then the words ‘sue’ (not on this thread) or ‘that will get the forum into trouble’ suddenly appear.
That ride was fantastic/that ride was a disgrace are just two different opinions, two completely opposite opinions in fact. I pray for the day that people stop going over the top when the latter opinion is expressed.
Well done to the OP for highlighting an extremely poor ride (in my opinion that is
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The frustration,
OneEye
, comes from the predictability of such criticisms. The fact is, that it’s always
winning
rides that are talked up, and
losing
rides which get hammered. Yet some of the best rides we see are not on winning horses, and some winning rides are worse than poor.
Not that I’ve an opinion on this particular case in point, as I didn’t see it.
It’s not that winning rides are praised & losing one’s are criticised, it’s that the rides that come in for the most stick almost always involve a close shave of some kind.
You never see criticism of a jockey on a horse that finished miles away. Even though their style of riding throughout the race may have suited the horse less than chips suit chocolate moose.
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It’s not that winning rides are praised & losing one’s are criticised, it’s that the rides that come in for the most stick almost always involve a close shave of some kind.
May be so. But can you offer me an example of a losing ride that got praised on the Forum? Or a winning one which got slammed?
It’s not that winning rides are praised & losing one’s are criticised, it’s that the rides that come in for the most stick almost always involve a close shave of some kind.
May be so. But can you offer me an example of a losing ride that got praised on the Forum? Or a winning one which got slammed?
As well you know, it’s to my annoyance that there’s precious little praise around here.
Maguire got some stick for his whip ban efforts but not much for sure.
May be so. But can you offer me an example of a losing ride that got praised on the Forum? Or a winning one which got slammed?
And how much discussion do you think either scenario as a thread would provoke here on a racing forum, Pinza? Would you not think it’s a tad idealistic to expect people to find the time to reply to such tedious hair-splitting threads – particularly the latter example!?
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May be so. But can you offer me an example of a losing ride that got praised on the Forum? Or a winning one which got slammed?
And how much discussion do you think either scenario as a thread would provoke here on a racing forum, Pinza? Would you not think it’s a tad idealistic to expect people to find the time to reply to such tedious hair-splitting threads – particularly the latter example!?
"Hair-splitting?" "Idealistic"??
I for one would welcome knowledgeable contributions which alerted me to the finer points of race riding, for good, bad or ugly. And I’m sure I am not alone in that.
Not every thread has to be a Punch and Judy show, which is the art form to which most of these jockey-bashing screeds aspire.
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