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Zark, you beat me to it with Singeur. Have had some good returns from him, and although his record over 5f is superior, thought he showed a lot more over 6f last time out. Would be my main fancy at this stage. Always thought he was due a big win.
My other 2 at this stage would be Tiddliwinks and Tajneed.
I think Tiddliwinks keeps improving, and continues to impress. Don’t see why he can’t figure here. As for Tajneed, well, gotta have a selction of Dandys, and of his entries, this is the one that stands out the most to me.
KF I generally get involved at 5 day dec stage, but will put up Gramercy as one of your four. Though I’d like it to have another run before then.
KF / ALL
Does the 4.10 at York on 13th May influence your thinking at all?
If so then will go and look at the 3 or 4 that immediately sprang into my mind and see what prices they are, if they are entered and if they are likely to get in on their current ratngs.
yorkiedips
I had the first 2 that day Yorkie,
Hoof it
wont like Goodwood and is handicapped to the hilt,Horseradish and Our Jonathon aren’t entered and Tajneed is in the grips of the grim reaper too! Have you spotted something yourself there?
KF I generally get involved at 5 day dec stage, but will put up Gramercy as one of your four. Though I’d like it to have another run before then.
Gramercy ran a cracker at Royal Ascot Merigo finishing 5th to Deacon Blues,neither are in my 6 though,funnily enough the 6th horse
Fathsta
is!
Lets not mention the rideSharaayeen
got at Haydock on Saturday for a horse so heavily backed,it had Tote Ebor written all over it!
The first horse i’m putting up for this years Stewards Cup is
Evens and Odds
,first and foremost the 20/1 is going faster than a Djokovic return,he will be targeted for it for the 3rd year,he has finished 1st and 2nd in it and is only 4lb higher than last year off a mark of 102,a mark he has actually won off before.This fellow still caught my eye at Ascot is genuine and pretty consistent when he needs to be and has massive place claims at worse,the ground wont bother him either way and at 20/1 is my number 3 horse this year,he was a confident 1st choice last year though,a place will suffice!
Evens and Odds
£100 e/w 20/1 Boylesports Stewards Cup.
£6325
Okay, i’ve had a go, so here are my 3 from 100+. I’ll keep this a bit briefer as my posts have been very long-winded lately and i don’t want to annoy the regulars or sully Kingfisher’s thread with my ramblings, although these on-request choices for the Stewards Cup may do just that
My first horse is
Humidor
(33-1). He was 3rd to
Night Carnation
in the Coral Charge, beating
Pastoral Player
after going off at 25s. Historically he goes very well at Goodwood – winning over 6f at the venue last year in addition to another victory over 5f in April.
Humidor
has shown to be a definite improver with huge potential after performing so well at Sandown, and his Nottingham race beforehand just seemed like an off-day. Showing better as a 4yo than a 3.
My second is
Ritual
(16-1). Here is another improver with an impressive record in lower class races, who won at Sandown on Friday with R L Moore on board after an 8-month break – he’s won his last four starts, each at different circuits on a range of going, and seems to love the distance. Apparently he needs extra weight to make the grade, but if he gets it, his presence could be very telling indeed.
My third horse is
Victoire de Lyphar
(20-1). Trained by David Nicholls, who has great record in the race if trainer form is anything to go by, being the man behind
Evens and Odds
victory in this event last year.
Victoire
ran a miserable race at Ascot last time out, but his previous form suggests it was just a glitch. A string of wins and places show an admirable consistency over 6f, but interestingly, he was beaten by another Nicholls horse,
Joseph Henry
(33-1), at Goodwood in the Stewards’ Sprint over 6f last year.
I also ummed and ahhed over
Hoof It, Evens and Odds, Pastoral Player and Hawkeyethenoo
, which i could have each made a case for. That’s it, sorry if my rookie-readings are all tosh and no game!
Its obvious from the timings you have been burning the midnight oil Wildman,i sense a will to win in the above work,Excellent stuff.Humidor might just find it tough getting in the race never mind about winning it,he’s a bet for the 5 day decs stage when you know if he does have a chance getting in,if he’s balloted out you will still get your Ante-Post money back though.Boylesports are twice the price of most at 33/1 if you have an account,thats a big price for a horse with good course form!
Its obvious from the timings you have been burning the midnight oil Wildman,i sense a will to win in the above work,Excellent stuff.Humidor might just find it tough getting in the race never mind about winning it,he’s a bet for the 5 day decs stage when you know if he does have a chance getting in,if he’s balloted out you will still get your Ante-Post money back though.Boylesports are twice the price of most at 33/1 if you have an account,thats a big price for a horse with good course form!
I’ll bear that declaration stage in mind, thanks KF. I can’t afford to bet on the cup at this stage, but if i can grab a decent winner to make it beyond the next fortnight, i’ll be targeting that race.
Good morning, Boylesports! Nice of you to be keeping tabs on this thread.
Also,
Humidor
dropping to 20s is remarkable, how did that happen? I get the impression i sound like a broken record asking that, as you don’t seem surprised, Zarkava.
They’ve seen the thread and Gordon’s post this morning and didn’t fancy offering 33s anymore.
Good morning, Boylesports! Nice of you to be keeping tabs on this thread.
Also,
Humidor
dropping to 20s is remarkable, how did that happen? I get the impression i sound like a broken record asking that, as you don’t seem surprised, Zarkava.
Money talks Wildman,you can thank yourself for that move!
Zarkava,i could put my number 1 selection up now,he’s a horse i have mentioned on this forum before in the past,he is so well handicapped he too may struggle to get in, but at least i know he’s heading there,if he’s balloted out i will get my money back,i took 33/1 and surprise surprise he’s 25’s now.Its a race i love and since 1999 i have had the winner 7 times,
Harmonic Way
,
Tayseer
,
Patavellian
,
Gift Horse
,
Zidane
,
Genki
and
Evens and Odds
,there’s a pattern in there!
There’s plenty time to the Stewards Cup and there’s plenty big races to get stuck into before then,i’m all over
Elzaam
for the July Cup at 10/1,if he does run he will test them all,Bated Breath and Delegator will be tough nuts to crack but this 3yo of Roger Varian is a bit special!
If the rain stays away from Newmarket then i thinkMemory
is a certainty,i have taken 7’s and 6’s to small stakes on the machine but would love 4/1 Please and Thank you for the Falmouth.
I hope Barry Hills sends the classy 3yoSlumber
to York for Saturdays Magnet Cup,no need to run him in the Princess of Wales as
Redwood
can take that,he is a fast improving 3yo who will love the aggro of a race like this famous one on the Knavesmire,i can see a gamble commencing on this fellow as he ticks all the boxes in fact i wouldn’t be surprised if he goes off favourite,draw be kind!
Slumber
£150 e/w 8/1 Tote Magnet Cup York.
Balloted out.
£6325Hi KF / All
Re Stewards cup, 3 that I was thinking about from that "hot" handicap at York were Tajneed, Oor Jonathan and Horseradish with preference for the last one. Didn’t have chance to check entries last night but will be doing so later on tonight. Also some good cases been made for others so will be gettting onto oddschecker to look where I can get best price on any that I think are guaranteed to make the cut.
Re John Smiths Cup, was going to ask you KF if you had any fancies as no thread last night on this in "Big race discussion" so thanks for putting them up
Wildman – Chin up re everything. I’m 35 now but when I was at uni 15 years ago in Newcastle I blew about £2.5k (Half my savings from a year out befire going working 60 hours a week across 2 jobs) before I went to uni from the April to the middle of August in my first year. Had a great Cheltenham in the March and thought I had the game "cracked" upped my stakes, started losing then went chasing it. Culminated in a horrendous day at my home track at York (Where I was born and bred) on Nunthorpe day when Lochsong and something else (Can’t remember its name but was beaten by foxhound) both getting beaten at long odds on. The former bolted to the start after I thought I had got a great opening price in Tatts and the latter ran an absolute stinker after being tipped up by the racing telegraph…who I’d phoned for the first time the night before. Those 5 months taught me the big thing around discipline re decent sized stakes and not to bet what I couldn’t afford to lose. A couple of mates I know who also love their racing have similar stories. What you describe not unusual but pleas just make sure you lean from your experience. Hope the above doesn’t sound like a sermon..not meant to be at all. Finally in terms of your punting going forward google "bechers brok blog" and follow the author Robert Gibb…Great analysis, almost as good as KF and if you like to have a small interest everyday well worth following his selections in singles as he reccomends and v small stake (I do 20 or 25p) e/w L15’s
yorkiedips
Hi KF / All
Re Stewards cup, 3 that I was thinking about from that "hot" handicap at York were Tajneed, Oor Jonathan and Horseradish with preference for the last one. Didn’t have chance to check entries last night but will be doing so later on tonight. Also some good cases been made for others so will be gettting onto oddschecker to look where I can get best price on any that I think are guaranteed to make the cut.
Re John Smiths Cup, was going to ask you KF if you had any fancies as no thread last night on this in "Big race discussion" so thanks for putting them up
Wildman – Chin up re everything. I’m 35 now but when I was at uni 15 years ago in Newcastle I blew about £2.5k (Half my savings from a year out befire going working 60 hours a week across 2 jobs) before I went to uni from the April to the middle of August in my first year. Had a great Cheltenham in the March and thought I had the game "cracked" upped my stakes, started losing then went chasing it. Culminated in a horrendous day at my home track at York (Where I was born and bred) on Nunthorpe day when Lochsong and something else (Can’t remember its name but was beaten by foxhound) both getting beaten at long odds on. The former bolted to the start after I thought I had got a great opening price in Tatts and the latter ran an absolute stinker after being tipped up by the racing telegraph…who I’d phoned for the first time the night before. Those 5 months taught me the big thing around discipline re decent sized stakes and not to bet what I couldn’t afford to lose. A couple of mates I know who also love their racing have similar stories. What you describe not unusual but pleas just make sure you lean from your experience. Hope the above doesn’t sound like a sermon..not meant to be at all. Finally in terms of your punting going forward google "bechers brok blog" and follow the author Robert Gibb…Great analysis, almost as good as KF and if you like to have a small interest everyday well worth following his selections in singles as he reccomends and v small stake (I do 20 or 25p) e/w L15’s
yorkiedips
Thank you, Yorkie. My chin is up, but it’s going to take a very hard uppercut this weekend which will KO me for sure if i don’t see any kind of return come sunday evening. It sounds horrendous what happened to you, commiserations for all that occurred back in your student days! From the 5th to the 21st of June, after scanning my bank balance, i had incurred losses totaling about £500. I felt uneasy then, but if only i knew then what i know now i would have stopped betting constantly. For some reason, just like Yorkie upped the ante, i lost control, and my outgoings shot up into the thousands – so now i’m doing all that i can to stay in London before having to retreat home. Fingers crossed, as i may be handing in my two-week notice the same day if my ante-posts goes out the window!
Some people bet their houses on horses, and unexpectedly it has transpired that i have my short-term student life hanging on them – a situation i never wanted to find myself in, ever. I can’t believe i let this happen; i became desensitized, and my logic simply didn’t kick in. Something badly wrong went down and now i must pay for it! It’s typical that a bunch of stuff revolving around me needing to keep this room over the summer has surfaced right as i burn out my bank balance, but oh well. I’ve checked out that blog, and will make an effort to follow it – thank you, Yorkie, and no, your words didn’t sound sermon-like, they were greatly appreciated. This is probably the hardest lesson i’ve learnt in a very many years, nothing has hit me so badly financially before. I have always thought of myself as a logical person, i just don’t think i could admit to myself that i was vulnerable to gambling once this began.
Also, as it turns out i have a free £25 bet over at Stan James – it may be my last bet – where i ask should it perhaps go? I was thinking
Memory
at Newmarket, but they don’t have the Falmouth listed, so i’m open to any suggestions, preferably to be settled before sunday
. Maybe a win on Delegator
.
Gordon likes Memory a lot but the prospect of rain puts me off. Sahpresa will be ridiculously difficult to beat anyway.
I was looking at the July Cup last night and flicked through Delegator’s form. Just how bad is the Duke of York working out? I completely destroyed the race beforehand, citing the utterly appalling record of winners throughout the rest of the season and just look at the race this year. Regal Parade was beaten a neck. He’s been beaten 1.25 and 2.25 lengths in his 2 subsequent starts. 3rd? Tiddliwinks, a bloody handicapper. Kevin Ryan’s yard was flying at the time, but 3rd!?! Hitchens 4th, Triple Aspect 5th, Dalghar 6th…
Horrible, horrible race. Comfortably, the most consistent bad race every year.
The rain will screw everything up again, but the July Cup is just another ridiculously draw-biased race. 2002-2009, all 8 winners drawn higher than 8. Last year Starspangledbanner was drawn in 4 and managed to take out all those drawn high en route to winning. Mozart was drawn 2 in 2001 as well, another special Aidan sprinter.
It’s been proven over and over again that these Aussie horses just don’t stay 6f at The July Course so I couldn’t even consider Star Witness.
Just looking at the entries for this makes you realise how utterly abysmal our sprinters are. They are shocking. Awful.
The only 3 horses I could even consider for victory are Elzaam, Zoffany and Monsieur Chevalier. The more I watch the Phoenix, the more impressed I am with Zoffany. I have no idea how he got up from there. The softer the ground, the better for him. Aidan doesn’t often run no hopers either. Stravinsky, Mozart and Starspangledbanner all won, while US Ranger got within a neck. Astronomer Royal finished 4th the same year as him, while 2 St. James’ Palace runners finished well down the field.
Would have to wait and see the 48-hour decs and draw before I could make a final selection. The weather’s quite important too…
Having a fresh sprinter helps. Of the last 15 winners, 13 had had 4 starts at most that season. Only helps us take out Jimmy Styles and Hitchens.
I haven’t analysed the stats from last year’s race yet, but between 2002 and 2009, horses who hadn’t either won or run in a Group race at Royal Ascot were 0-1-24. Last year the first 3 home all ran in either the Jubilee or King’s Stand. 12 of the last 15 winners ran at Ascot. Of the other 3, 1 won a Listed race LTO, 1 won a Group 3 LTO and the other finished 3rd in the Temple. They were also progressive 3 or 4yos. Regal Parade and Winker Watson chucked out on that basis.
I cannot begin to consider Delegator, while I also don’t like Royal Rock, Genki, Dalghar, Oracle, Libranno, War Artist or Amico Fritz.
I’ve probably been unfair on Bated Breath as well. Other than his seasonal debut when he had absolutely nowhere to go, his 3 defeats have all come on ground with ‘soft’ in the description.
I’ve been unfair on Dream Ahead as well, but I’m just very sceptical of the Middle Park run. Strong Suit was long gone by then, well over the top, and what else was behind him? Approve was 3rd, beaten 9 lengths. He was beaten 11 1/2 lengths on his next start. Don’t like him at all.
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