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The trouble is they have too many horses. Top class horses are relatively easy to train with races picking themselves. It is far more difficult to find the right races for the handicap types. I have always said that half of good training is good placement and bin Suroor and his assistants don’t do a good job with the horses that fall below top class.
I can’t argue with that DJ. An example of poor placement last year was Bayeux. A miler as his limit I thought and yet they stepped him up in trip to 1m6f (I think) and even entered him in the Cesarewitch. Madness! And lo, did it come to pass that the horse left Godolphin for the masterful G Butler and was immediately dropped down to 6f…and has won twice.
Quote: from stevedvg on 2:36 pm on May 20, 2006[br]BTW, how can anyone say that Dubai Millennium was a dissapointing stallion? He had one crop to race, and had one top-class classic winner, and numerous other pattern-race performers…
I just had a quick look at the RP sire stats.
Apart from Dubawi, has he produced any horses that have won a group race in the UK, Ireland or France? ÂÂÂ
Steve<br>
Nope, but I can give you the name of the next one to do so: Belenus.
Am I cynical in thinking that a large percentage of Dubai Millenium’s offspring were kept off the track when it was realised they weren’t up to much? Or if they did race, it was very infrequently and their careers were soon cut short when they had a victory to their name. Kydd Gloves being a case in point.
(Edited by Librettist at 12:19 am on May 21, 2006)
Quickfire ran last night in the US I think, developing into a nice sprinter. Few opportunities and the female turf sprints are very very weak but a good horse non the less.
Nope, but I can give you the name of the next one to do so: Belenus.
He looked group class to me so, when I was looking through the sire starts, I was a little surprised that he hadn’t picked up a g3 somewhere.
I think the stats are quite disappointing. Ok, most sires would be happy with one group winner per crop, but DM wasn’t like most horses that go to stud.
As a comparison if, in 2 years time, RoG’s first crop has only produced one group winner (even if that’s a multiple g1 winner), I’d be disappointed.
Steve
The stable will have no runners in 3 of the next 4 Classics (Irish Guineas or Epsom Oaks) or the Tattersalls Gold Cup:
Well this is the 1st year that they’ve left a sizebale team of horses with potential back in the US and the policy seems to have worked.
Now it may be a case that they leave all their dirt horses in the US.
Quote: from pengamon on 12:14 pm on May 21, 2006[br]
Now it may be a case that they leave all their dirt horses in the US.
Now there’s a novel idea for Sheikh Mo to ponder, it’s only 11 years since Coolmore where successful with the same method.
He’s transferred a number of horses out of Godolphin – most notably Sabre D’Argent, The Visualiser, Crimson Sun to McLaughlin and Albertrani and they now run in the Darley colours and no doubt will be winning soon.
Quote: from stevedvg on 9:11 am on May 21, 2006[br]Nope, but I can give you the name of the next one to do so: Belenus.
He looked group class to me so, when I was looking through the sire starts, I was a little surprised that he hadn’t picked up a g3 somewhere.
I think the key to him is the ground. He has twice hung on Good-Firm going and also suffered from sore shins and been bandaged in front, so give him a bit of juice and he’ll pick up I nice prize i’m sure.
<br>Talking of DM offspring, I thought Echo Of Light had a great chance in what was a poor renewal of the Champion Stakes last season but Durcan went off at a ridiculous pace on him so that was that.
Yeah I did too after a couple of wide margin wins in very good times. Apparently he picked up an injury in the Champion Stakes though so maybe that wasn’t his true running (although have to say I swore very loudly at T Durcan that day!).
<br>As I said at the time though, Durcan was probably just riding to orders as Echo Of Light was used as a pacemaker for a more fancied Godolphin runner whose name escapes me.
Maybe he will pick up a couple of nice prizes if he gets on the track this season.
Well the Godolphin drought is officially over after ASHKAL WAY won an allowance race at Belmont Park this evening;)
Good run by looks of things, some nice enough horses in behind. I flagged him up elsewhere as in training in the US and so to are The Visualiser and Crimson Sun.
Yes they are, as also are:
Afrashad (still can’t forget his Lingfield win…)<br>Discreet Cat<br>Emirates Sevens<br>Etesaal<br>Real Quality<br>Rondo<br>Safsoof (runs friday)<br>Testimony<br>Thought Leader
….plus probably some others I don’t know about
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