# Ginger's Winners

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• #1446371

MTOTO88
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IS THIS ABOUT RIGHT?

DECIMALS ODDS X (100% – BETTING% OF THE MARKET FAV) = W/O FAV ODDS

EG 6/4 FAV AND CALCULATING W/O FAV ODDS FOR A 7/1 SHOT

6/4 40%
7/1 = 8.00 = 12.5%

8.00 X (100% – 40%) = 8 X 0.60 4.80

#1446374

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King Ed:
113 points @ 11/10 (Sky) Japan (min 20/21)
saver:
19 points @ 6/1 (betfair) Pondus (min 11/2)
Another:
29 points @ 6/1 (betfair) Pondus (min 11/2)
21 points @ 18/1 (betfair) Humanitarian (min 16/1)

LAY 10 points @ 4.5/1 (betfair) Pondus (min 5/1)

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#1446382

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My way of doing the without the fav calculation is:
If something YOU (not bookmakers) believe has a 40% chance (fair 6/4 shot) comes out…
The rest of the field TOGETHER (100 – 40 =) 60% needs to be timesed 1.6666 to become 100%.

So for one YOU (not bookmakers) believe had a fair 12.5% 7/1 chance in the betting with market:
1.6666 X 12.5 = 20.83%… between 7/2 and 4/1 for the betting without market.

However, be careful of doing that same calculation for non-runners. A front or even prominent runner coming out could alter each horse very differently. If a horse now has a big chance of dictating it’s chance will be much better than that calculation.

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#1446397

MTOTO88
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OK THANKS

SO IF I TRY YOU TURN THAT INTO A BASIC FORMULA, WHERE

A = FAV’S BETTING PERCENTAGE. IN OUR EXAMPLE 6/4 = 40%
B = HORSES FAIR CHANCE BETTING PERCENTAGE. IN OUR EXAMPLE 7/1 = 12.50%

FORMULA BECOMES

___1___ X B
(100-A)

___1___ X .125 0.2083 = 4.80
0.60

WHICH IS WHAT I SOMEHOW GOT EARLIER

#1446400

MTOTO88
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A SLIGHTLY EASIER METHOD

A = FAV’S BETTING PERCENTAGE. IN OUR EXAMPLE 6/4 = 40%
B = HORSES ODDS X1. IN OUR EXAMPLE 7/1 X1 = 8.00

(100% – A) X B

(100%-40%) X 8.00 = 0.60 X 8.00 = 4.80

#1446433

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Presumably you mean 4.8 as decimal odds, so yes it’s the same as 20.8333

I don’t do the converting to decimal/odds, Mtoto. I always use the percentage.
Where 100 = 100%, 40 = 6/4 and 12.5 = 7/1.

100 – 40 = 60
100 ‘/, 60 = 1.6666
1.6666 X 12.5 = 20.8333%

20.8333 = 4.8 = 3.8/1
tbh I don’t bother to get it down to the exact figure. Between 7/2 and 4/1 is enough for me.

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#1446436

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Thanks GT, apologies for gatecrashing your thread with my idle ramblings. The W/O FAV market is one I have meant to look at in more detail but have never taken time to look at the maths involved.

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Does invincible army in the 4:20 at 5.8/1 sound value to you?

#1446479

Gingertipster
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No, Istabraq. Invincible Army wound be one I’ll be taking on unless he goes out to 13/2+.

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#1446483

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Diamond Jubilee:
31 points @ 10/1 (B365) City Light (min 17/2)
33 points @ 12/1 (PP) The Tin Man (min 10/1)
25 points each way @ 20/1 (betfair) Emblazoned (min 16/1)

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#1446484

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Actually, that 25 points should’ve been 16. ^

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#1446485

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Are you sure about those prices GT. Best I can see on Oddschecker at time of your post is 8/1 COL, 11/1 TTM and 18/1 Emblazoned. Do you check them at time of posting?

#1446500

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Yes, of course I check every bet at time of posting.

I usually put quoted bets in bold, but forgot to on this one occasion, David.
That’s what you get without a bloody quote button!
Take a look on page 66 of this thread and you’ll see:

Diamond Jubilee:
31 points @ 10/1 (B365) City Light (min 17/2)
33 points @ 12/1 (PP) The Tin Man (min 10/1)

…And if you look at the above post it clearly says “each way” and “(betfair)” for Emblazoned; so it wouldn’t be on oddschecker.
I had to go to the each way market on betfair to get the 20/1 because it had gone throughout oddschecker/bookmakers and had gone in the betfair win market. It’s been 20/1 in the each way market pretty much all evening.

Didn’t want to bet each way but had to because it was not available anywhere else… nd could lay off some of my place part of the Emblazoned bet on betfair’s place market. However, I can’t put it up yet because the price I’ve laid it at is not available at the moment. ie I never knowingly post a price that is not available at time of writing.

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#1446501

Istabraq
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I myself saw 20.0 available about 10mins after was posted here , may have been 21.0 few minutes before that

Will you be doing any more bets tonight ginger? No rush if so

#1446504

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Came on to put a bet up for the Hardwicke but will have to wait because the price has now gone, Istabraq. Shouldn’t be too much longer.

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