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The drivel weve listened to for the past few years from the racing clan will be exposed for what it is:angry:
But a happy day:)
Can we now start Otis ferry hunting with hungry lions?
no difference at all. NH racing is a business. The tosh spouted at Cheltenham on Friday was too awful for words.
In theory it won’t do the sport any favours, although it might take 5 or 10 years for anything to show up – fewer chasers and young riders coming through. It’s the shortage of riders from this country that is the more worrying – the great majority of professional NH jockeys already come from the "island of Ireland", and a hunting ban would hit home-grown talent even further. How many of the current batch of English, Welsh and Scottish jockeys have not come through via the hunting field?
However, all is not lost, the new law might well be ruled out by various courts, and if it isn’t, it will prove virtually unenforceable anyway, the 21st century’s answer to the Poll Tax and the Dangerous Dogs Act.
How can it be ruled out by "various courts"?
Willof Parliament is end of story
Maybe true about the Jockeys, but cant say thats something that bothers me much
Yes, well great, we have a government which has embezzled our pensions and lyingly taken us into a disgraceful war but is now finding time to tell us off for smacking, smoking, eating and drinking incorrectly and smoking non-recreational drugs. Meanwhile, the same government couldn’t care less about cruelty to animals but must ban the centuries-old tradition of hunting because yet again this is incorrect. I await the inevitable response from Ian D.
As part of the silent majority this is good news and the sooner the better. :clap:
I think that the sight of pro hunt thugs going about their business over the next few months will so polarise the public they will love to vote for Tony.
Very difficult to get a visa if you have a criminal record you know.
The whole argument grows very tiresome after a while , but the report I’ve just seen on the news fecked me right off.
One of the hunt members , being interviewed on BBC , said :
" ….. If the hunts are outlawed , you see those two horses – they’ll be killed "
When asked why :
" ….. Do you know how much it costs to keep a horse ? "
So , in response to cruel culling of the fox population , the hunters are going to match it by killing all of their horses ??
I find it hard to believe many of them can’t afford to keep their horses – although it seems perfectly ameenable when they are allowed to hunt.
Keep your dummies in people.
Clivex, I believe there is some legal argument to do with the Parliament Act itself, and also a question of a possible violation of human rights.
I’m no lawyer, and I’ve no idea whether either point has any legal (or moral) merit, but clearly there will be opportunities for m’ learned counsel to trouser some wedges.
Unenforceability will be a big problem for the government. You can pass whatever laws you like, but if they are not accepted as fair by a significant proprtion of the (hitherto law-abiding) population who then disobey those laws, then you’ve got trouble. This is particularly the case where, contrary to what Ian Davies suggests, people are prepared to go to prison.
But, back to the original question, if hunting were to be effectively banned, then it would a small, but significant blow to NH racing in this country.
Where and how are the jump jockeys of tomorrow going to get the vital experience of riding across country at speed – a couple of dozen replacement drag hunts certainly won’t provide it.<br>
Regards where the jockeys come through from, perhaps then someone from on high should be making sure that young men and women still want to become NH jockeys without needing to come through hunting ranks.
We still see plenty young jockeys from Scotland trying to make the grade even although hunting has been banned up here.
Phunter, I believe the number of Scottish mounted packs is the same as it was before the "ban". (I don’t know about foot packs). There was one that was still closed down a few months ago (I don’t know which), but I believe it’s started up again, or will be doing so shortly.
So you’ve got a "ban" that’s only been in place a couple of years, and with the same number of hunts.
It’s hardly surprising, therefore, that there’s been no falling off so far in the number of young Scottish jump jockeys.
I suppose many come from showjumping circles that go onto become jockeys like John Francome, which should help in the long run as well.
I see Land Rover have dropped their sponsorship from point to pointing as well and i wonder how this will affect that part of racing.
I know we have the racing colleges or schools, but does anyone know if racing has folk going round schools actively encouraging youngsters to come into racing, you get it with all trades why not racing.
Quote: from Ian Davies on 10:06 pm on Nov. 18, 2004[br]I obeyed a lot of laws I disagreed with 1979-1997 and, given it’s taken this government seven years to come up with a law which really gets up your nose if you’re a rural Tory, I’d say on balance you’ve got off pretty lightly. :biggrin: (Edited by Ian Davies at 10:22 pm on Nov. 18, 2004)<br>
They were mildly annoyed by the lamb-burning nonsense a few years ago if memory serves.
The banning of hunting will have a minimal effect on racing, and in fact I believe that many of those who currently hunt will become NH racehorse owners as the ban comes into force, using the spare cash they would have used on keeping hunters, hunt subscriptions etc.
However this does not excuse the fact that this government will have brought in a ban purely through social prejudice and misinformation (the Burns report did not recommend a ban and has been conveniently forgotten) which outlaws an activity enjoyed by thousands of law-abiding citizens.
Who is to guarantee that in ten years time, once shooting and fishing are safely out of the way, that racing won’t be next in line. Remember, it’s a sport enjoyed by the rich during which a poor horse sometimes gets killed. Sounds barbaric to me…
An interesting topic still IMO. <br>Coming from a family of ‘country folk’ I hear arguements about this quite often. My family do not own horses nor do they participate in or have ties with anyone who does particiapte in hunting. However, their feelings on this matter are very strong. It would seem that the hunts form an important of the English countryside’s history. It would appear the lords know this, but the ‘anti-class’ labour backbenchers don’t and are on a mission to eradicate hunts playing the ‘cruelty to animals’ card. Just out of interest, have the RSPCA made any comment on this issue?<br>I couldn’t comment on the effect on NH racing, but as for the cost of owning a horse issue, is it not true that farmers let hunts use there land ‘free of charge’ in exchange for the service they provide? That’ll help balance the books. <br>I also believe that the Countryside Alliance are preparing a legal battle to the Euro courts stating a breach of human rights. I think the human right in question is the right to earn a living? anyone know if this is correct?
Ken, check out the RSPCA website, then you will know their comments. They have campaigned for this for years.
<br>The Burns Report didn’t give an opinion on whether hunting should be banned because it wasn’t designed to. Its aim was to look at the arguments, not judge them.
I think the legal argument is something to do with privacy. If hunting is regarded as a private pastime then banning it might infringe on human rights but it seems doubtful.
a happy day
<br>I’m totally baffled by the fact that townies give a monkeys either way about fox hunting.
Which is the larger number, the number of foxes killed in the UK in a year of fox hunting or the number of animals killed in the UK each day for meat?
Caring about animal rights is easy and convenient when you don’t have to give up something you enjoy.
However, I’m just going over what was discussed here about 6 weeks ago and, rather than typing my fingers to the bone, anyone interested can check the archives.
Steve
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