July 4, 2020 at 18:40 #1492761Cork All StarParticipant
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Must be frustrating for Ryan Moore. Coolmore has had three of the last four Derby winners and he has not been on any of them!
A very strange day altogether. I think the absence of a crowd was much more noticeable here than at Newmarket on Guineas day or at Royal Ascot.July 4, 2020 at 19:25 #1492771AustinParticipant
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Serpentine is a good front runner and other jockeys under estimated him. He won in similar fashion last week at Curragh by 9L. As I was going through cards yesterday, I actually liked this horse and had a small each way bet.July 4, 2020 at 21:25 #1492792mickeyjpParticipant
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Not a big as surprise to many of us who follow Irish racing. Serpentine absolutely bolted up last weekend as took some pulling up after the line. I thought the unpronounceable one would have led to the six pole then serpentine would have taken over. Emmet McNamara just read the race better and knowing he was on a certain stayer kicked and won the race. Not a fluke just a very good horse superbly ridden. What amazed me is that the other coolmore runners didn’t get scrubbed along much earlier. As aiden keeps repeating they try to give each horse the best chance to win and McNamara explained the race panned out as aiden predicted. Delighted for him.July 4, 2020 at 23:07 #1492805Cork All StarParticipant
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The winner did get a superb ride but lots of others got poor tactical rides. Maybe they would not have been good enough anyway but we cannot say for sure. That is why it was an unsatisfactory race.
It was a bit like last year’s Irish Derby when the winner was gifted a soft lead. If jockeys learn anything from this it should be: do not give a Galileo colt trained by O’Brien 8 lengths start and expect it to fold up. They keep on galloping.
I also cannot help feeling a few jockeys might have been influenced by the Oaks. The two front runners established a long lead and did come back. Maybe they expected the same thing to happen here. But at least one of the fillies was 100/1 and in as a pacemaker. Serpentine was only 25/1. He should have been taken more seriously.July 4, 2020 at 23:22 #1492806jimmy giminiParticipant
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Not a genuine result imo they went a snail pace behind which shocks me considering the experience of the like of Moore and dettoriJuly 4, 2020 at 23:45 #1492811Frenchy15Participant
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Firstly, that was the worst derby line up in 20+ years that I’ve been watching it. Second the stats said the first five in the market can’t win and they didn’t. People knock stats but what a learning curve that was……
The best thing about that race is that we have tomorrow to Bounce back!July 4, 2020 at 23:54 #1492812Mike007Participant
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Depends what the stats are Frenchy. Who wins a Derby after winning a maiden a week before? Some stats told you Serpentine cudnt win but he did.July 5, 2020 at 00:04 #1492814hamParticipant
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I see people comparing it to what happened at navan last night and thats not fair on the jockeys today, trainers/jockeys purposely getting horses beat/ not riding them to do anything other than get a mark, market pointing towards higher rated horses running shockers at 100/1 is not the same as what happened in this race atall
They simply underestimated serpentine and as soon as he hit the corner the electric turn of foot doubled his lead, they definitely tried to close 3-4f out but none of them had the taspeed at that point to close the gap, EK, mogul and RE all plugged on but the winner never just stole the race he went further clear from the bend when everyone else tried to close
Genuinely think he would have won and if they ran the race tomorrow id expect the same result, he looks top drawer, he was not coming back to them anytime soon
Marquand gave the second place horse a crackerJuly 5, 2020 at 00:19 #1492816TriptychParticipant
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Agreed he looks a lovely horse ham and mickey. That was the best bit of social distancing I’ve seen all week
.. and well done to Tom Marquand also, pretty sure he’d have given English King a better ride than Dettori did today. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...July 5, 2020 at 00:20 #1492817jackh1092Participant
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Great tactical ride from what’s a pretty decent horse. I would be surprised if he’s the best horse in the race going forward. Poor tactical rides in behind allowed him to gain a lead at what was not a crazy pace early to middle of the race. Then they’d have needed to have been frankel with turbo to catch him.
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!July 5, 2020 at 00:26 #1492819pilgarlicParticipant
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Have to concede it was only the jockey booking that deterred me from Serpentine – well done Emmet. I don’t know why some are being so critical of the 2nd and 3rd placed jockeys when they’ve achieved the best possible places for their horses, something most have singularly failed to do.July 5, 2020 at 00:28 #1492820TheKryptonFactorParticipant
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Jac, I thought Dettori gave English King one of the best non-winning rides in the race (a very low bar set, I concede). Horse never had any chance after jinking at the start from the horror draw – Dettori didn’t have the option to go prominent. Marquand, assisted by a much better draw, was obviously able to race closer to the pace. Although even he’s ridden too conservatively, just to a lesser degree than most of his competitors. I’m pretty certain English King is the best horse in the race.July 5, 2020 at 01:01 #1492825TriptychParticipant
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That’s interesting Krypton thanks I’ll look more closely, must admit I didn’t look much at the finishers and the stats were against the 1 draw according to the ITV Team, Chapman excluded.
Not Frankie’s best day and shame that English King jinked at the start to spoil his chances even more, but I’ll look forward to seeing him next time now.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...July 5, 2020 at 06:34 #1492830Mike007Participant
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The time of the race was pretty good. Love would have to have worked harder to get past Serpentine yesterday compared to the fillies. It could be that the winner is just a good horse. Time will tell. But agree English King is one to note after missing the break. Wouldn’t say he’s necessarily a Leger winner in waiting as the winner was talked about as more of a stayer pre-race so could improve again upped to 14f. I think on a more conventional track with that experience behind him EK could still be very good over 12f. Mogul is another one to check out next time if you believe AOB that he needed 2 runs to get fit. Little between him and EK at the finish.July 5, 2020 at 07:32 #1492832mickeyjpParticipant
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Having watched the race a few times it can only be said that the front three jockeys were alive to what was happening. It wasn’t till past the 4f pole that Dettori starts pushing and Moore sat motionless till the three pole. How Murphy thought he was going to pick up serpentine who must have been 15 lengths clear beats me. I think the fact that Kameko was a doubtful stayer meant he was never going to pull the pack towards the winner. Impossible to say out of ek, mogul and re who will turn out best. Not Seamie at his best. Had he pushed along re earlier I suspect he could well have been second. Time will tell. Hopefully we see a rerun soon and no doubt very few will get the winner😁
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