The home of intelligent horse racing discussion
The home of intelligent horse racing discussion

Woodbine 2006

Home Forums Big Races – Discussion Woodbine 2006

Viewing 12 posts - 1 through 12 (of 12 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #3199
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    Any views on your representatives?

    <br><span style=”font-size: 13px;”>Woodbine</span> 22/10/06  Turf – G/S Showers forecast every day.

    <span style=”font-size: 13px;”><span style=”color: Red;”><u>Nearctic Stakes. (G2)</u></span></span>

    6 Furlongs   Age: 3 Year Olds And Up  

    Purse $500,000.  

    <br>1 Moss Vale (IRE) Kinane M J Nicholls David 121    3-1<br> <br>2 Dark Cheetah Husbands P Dutrow Richard E Jr 117   L 20-1<br> <br>3 Atticus Kristy Castellano J J Scherer Merrill R 119   L 8-1 <br>4 Sgt. Bert Velazquez J R Montgomery Gary W 117   L 12-1<br> <br>5 Silver Timber Kabel T K Rice Linda 116   L 20-1<br> <br>6 Metro Meteor Velasquez C Rice Linda 116   L 15-1<br> <br>7 Fast Parade Valenzuela P A Miller Peter 116   L 4-1<br> <br>8 Man Of Illusion (AUS) Hills R Biancone Patrick L 119   L 15-1

    9 Terrific Challenge Bravo J Hough Stanley M 117   L 12-1<br> <br>10 In Summation Gomez G K Clement Christophe 116   L 10-1<br> <br>11 Peace Offering (IRE) Nicholls A Nicholls David 117    20-1<br> <br>12 Old Dodge (BRZ) Valdivia J Jr Horgan Roger A 117   L 12-1<br> <br>13 Around the Cape Jara F Mott William I 119   L 10-1 <br>

    <br><span style=”font-size: 13px;”><span style=”color: Red;”><u>E. P. Taylor Stakes. (G1)</u></span></span><br> <br>1 1/4 Miles Fillies and Mares  Age: 3 Year Olds And Up

    Purse $1,000,000.  

    1 Ambitious Cat Kabel T K Coatrieux Eric 123   L 8-1<br> <br>2 Almerita (GER) Husbands P Hickst Waldemar  118    15-1<br> <br>3 Arravale Valdivia J Jr Benson MacDonald 118   L 4-1<br> <br>4 Live Life (FR) Valenzuela P A Drysdale Neil 123   L 20-1<br> <br>5 Red Bloom (GB) Kinane M J Stoute Sir Michael R 123   FTL 2-1

    6 Naissance Royale (IRE) Gomez G K Clement Christophe 123   L 20-1<br> <br>7 Angara (GB) Jara F Mott William I 123   L 6-1<br> <br>8 Barancella (FR) Castellano J J Frankel Robert 123   L 15-1

    9 Latice (IRE) Velasquez C Sheppard Jonathan E 123   L 10-1

    10 Aubonne (GER) Blanc B Drysdale Neil 123   L 20-1<br> <br>11 Ready’s Gal Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123   L 8-1

    <span style=”font-size: 13px;”><u><span style=”color: Red;”>Pattison Canadian International Stakes. (G1)</span></u></span>  

    1 1/2 Miles   Age: 3 Year Olds And Up

    Purse $2,000,000.  

    1 Sky Conqueror Kabel T K Banach Darwin D 126   L 4-1<br> <br>2 Kastoria (IRE) Kinane M J Oxx John M 123   FTL 9-2<br> <br>3 Blue Monday (GB) Drowne S Charlton Roger 126    6-1<br> <br>4 Jambalaya Jones J Day-Phillips Catherine 126   L 10-1<br> <br>5 Last Answer Ramsammy E Keogh Michael 126   L 15-1<br> <br>6 Meteor Storm (GB) Castellano J J Dollase Wallace 126   L 12-1<br> <br>7 Go Deputy Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126   L 5-2<br> <br>8 Collier Hill (GB) McKeown D Swinbank Alan  126    12-1<br> <br>9 The Last Drop (IRE) Hills R Hills Barry W 119    20-1<br> <br>10 Relaxed Gesture (IRE) Gomez G K Clement Christophe 126   L 10-1 <br>

    #80711
    SirHarryLewis
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1208

    Quote: from griff11 on 12:42 am on Oct. 21, 2006[br]Any views on your representatives?

    <br>Woodbine 22/10/06  Turf – G/S Showers forecast every day.

    Nearctic Stakes. (G2)

    6 Furlongs   Age: 3 Year Olds And Up  

    Purse $500,000.  

    <br>1 Moss Vale (IRE) Kinane M J Nicholls David 121    3-1<br> <br>2 Dark Cheetah Husbands P Dutrow Richard E Jr 117   L 20-1<br> <br>3 Atticus Kristy Castellano J J Scherer Merrill R 119   L 8-1 <br>4 Sgt. Bert Velazquez J R Montgomery Gary W 117   L 12-1<br> <br>5 Silver Timber Kabel T K Rice Linda 116   L 20-1<br> <br>6 Metro Meteor Velasquez C Rice Linda 116   L 15-1<br> <br>7 Fast Parade Valenzuela P A Miller Peter 116   L 4-1<br> <br>8 Man Of Illusion (AUS) Hills R Biancone Patrick L 119   L 15-1

    9 Terrific Challenge Bravo J Hough Stanley M 117   L 12-1<br> <br>10 In Summation Gomez G K Clement Christophe 116   L 10-1<br> <br>11 Peace Offering (IRE) Nicholls A Nicholls David 117    20-1<br> <br>12 Old Dodge (BRZ) Valdivia J Jr Horgan Roger A 117   L 12-1<br> <br>13 Around the Cape Jara F Mott William I 119   L 10-1 <br>

    <br>E. P. Taylor Stakes. (G1)<br> <br>1 1/4 Miles Fillies and Mares  Age: 3 Year Olds And Up

    Purse $1,000,000.  

    1 Ambitious Cat Kabel T K Coatrieux Eric 123   L 8-1<br> <br>2 Almerita (GER) Husbands P Hickst Waldemar  118    15-1<br> <br>3 Arravale Valdivia J Jr Benson MacDonald 118   L 4-1<br> <br>4 Live Life (FR) Valenzuela P A Drysdale Neil 123   L 20-1<br> <br>5 Red Bloom (GB) Kinane M J Stoute Sir Michael R 123   FTL 2-1

    6 Naissance Royale (IRE) Gomez G K Clement Christophe 123   L 20-1<br> <br>7 Angara (GB) Jara F Mott William I 123   L 6-1<br> <br>8 Barancella (FR) Castellano J J Frankel Robert 123   L 15-1

    9 Latice (IRE) Velasquez C Sheppard Jonathan E 123   L 10-1

    10 Aubonne (GER) Blanc B Drysdale Neil 123   L 20-1<br> <br>11 Ready’s Gal Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123   L 8-1

    Pattison Canadian International Stakes. (G1)  

    1 1/2 Miles   Age: 3 Year Olds And Up

    Purse $2,000,000.  

    1 Sky Conqueror Kabel T K Banach Darwin D 126   L 4-1<br> <br>2 Kastoria (IRE) Kinane M J Oxx John M 123   FTL 9-2<br> <br>3 Blue Monday (GB) Drowne S Charlton Roger 126    6-1<br> <br>4 Jambalaya Jones J Day-Phillips Catherine 126   L 10-1<br> <br>5 Last Answer Ramsammy E Keogh Michael 126   L 15-1<br> <br>6 Meteor Storm (GB) Castellano J J Dollase Wallace 126   L 12-1<br> <br>7 Go Deputy Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126   L 5-2<br> <br>8 Collier Hill (GB) McKeown D Swinbank Alan  126    12-1<br> <br>9 The Last Drop (IRE) Hills R Hills Barry W 119    20-1<br> <br>10 Relaxed Gesture (IRE) Gomez G K Clement Christophe 126   L 10-1 <br>

    Brief comment, Im not sure what the opposition is like but I can tell you these English and Irish horses are by and large not of the calibre of horse thats going to the Breeders cup.  Kastoria, the irish filly is trained by a shrewd man who doesnt go to these places unless he feels he has a real shot and she is in good form having won the Irish Ledger which is over two furlongs further.  She would be vunerable to something top class..

    Of the others, Blue Monday, probably considerd by many to be Group 2 standard over here but I think if the ground is fast, he has a real shot at this.  He has mixed it with the big boys over here this year and is from a tough family that improve with age.  I would consider backing him but I know little about the opposition.

    Collier Hill is one horse who tends to run in many countries and can probably be relied on to put up his best.  Perahps like Kastoria he may want further.

    The last drop, despite bouncing back to something like good form has it all to do at this level.  DOesnt look good enough on what he has done over here.

    Red bloom is a nice animal in the earlier race and her trainer is a genius.  SHes no ouija bord or alexander goldrun but shes next level down I think.  Suppose that will be good enough here??

    Moss vale is pretty consistent as sprinters go over here but the sprinters havent looked hugely special in recent years.

    SHL

    #80712
    SirHarryLewis
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1208

    well there you go…its raining heavily at the track so there is significant cash going on "the last drop"   SOme of that might be Bulwarks.  Im not one who thinks Blue Monday will be best on this softer ground but i still think he’ll beat Hills horse.

    SHL

    #80713
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    • Total Posts 17718

    Haven’t a clue about Canadian form, but it may be wrong to underestimate Kastoria.<br> Although it is questionable that Yeats ran his race in the Irish Leger, Kastoria is still improving based on others in that race. Beat the previous year’s second, The Whistling Teal by >10l, and gained another 7l on Akarem on their Curragh Cup running, with decent lstd/gp3 horses further behind.<br> Don’t think the drop in distance will be too much of a problem either; her comfortable 3l defeat of Foreign Affairs in a steadily  run 12f lstd race which was basically a prep run for the Leger reads none too badly in the circumstances.<br> Haven’t a clue about where the pace will come from, but given a decent lead I couldn’t see her out of the first 3 unless the home horses are exceptional.<br>Maybe a ‘show’ bet?

    #80714
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    Jim Bannon’s preview to give you some additional information.

    <br>E.P Taylor Stakes.  10f  Turf – Soft.

    <br>AMBITIOUS CAT was Canada’s Champion turf mare last season and was a close third in this event behind the outstanding Honey Ryder with Latice in second; she prepped for this with a fourth place finish in the recent Canadian Stakes with Ready’s Gal the winner and Arravale second; she has since trained aggressively in company with Kabel aboard.

    ALMERITA a winner of the Group 1 German Oaks, came here for the Grade 2 Canadian September 17th and was the victim of a slow pace, yet was gaining well late and gets valuable extra yardage today; she is a wake up prospect.

    ARRAVALE won at the highest level on firm turf in the Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks in August; her appearance here will qualify her for Sovereign award consideration; most recently in the Canadian, she was out finessed by the slow pace structure established by the winner, Ready’s Gal; she looks to prove herself against older runners at 1 1/4 miles on giving ground.

    LIVE LIFE comes in for trainer Neil Drysdale who has had noted success on Woodbine’s turf on a repeated basis; she underlined her class when third in the Grade 1 Beverly D in August but a troubled trip in the Grade 1 Yellow Ribbon caused her grief last time.

    RED BLOOM competes for trainer Sir Michael Stoute who won this event in 1986 with Ivor’s Image; she was a Group 1 winner of the Fillies Mile as a three year old; she won most recently in Ireland taking the Group 2 Blandford Stakes for the second time; she is fresh and in inviting form.

    NAISSANCE ROYALE was here for the Grade 2 Nassau in June on soft ground when beating Ambitious Cat; she competes for trainer Christophe Clement who has brought back Relaxed Gesture in hopes of doubling up in the Pattison Canadian International.

    ANGARA captured the Grade 1 Diana on yielding ground at Saratoga at nine furlongs in July; most recently in the Grade 1 Flower Bowl, the late pace was sizzling and she was a close fourth for Hall of Fame trainer, Bill Mott.

    BARANCELLA picked an inviting situation for her return to the races September 22nd at Belmont to win her prep for this event, a clever move for Hall of Fame trainer Robert Frankel who won this event two season’s ago with Commercante; she was a hard charging fourth in this event last year when also fresh.

    LATICE was a close second in this event last season against Honey Ryder and also chased that one home two starts ago in Delaware; she comes in fresh after a runner up finish in the Grade 3Glen Falls at Saratoga last month.

    AUBONNE is one of two entered for Hall of Fame trainer<br>Neil Drysdale; her only victory in recent campaigns came in January at Santa Anita at this distance; she has been freshened following fringe form at Del Mar this Summer.

    READY’S GAL set soft fractions when winning the Canadian Stakes September 17th turning back Arravale, Ambitious Cat and Almerita; she is in her best form currently for stakes record holder Todd Pletcher who won this event last year with Honey Ryder.

    <br>I will have second look at Naissance Royale in the paddock. This Giant’s Causeway filly is a big price Morning Line, a G2 winner and seems to go on any ground. She beat Ambitious Cat, (a good yardstick here), at this track in the G2 Nassau Stakes on soft in June, for astute trainer Christophe Clement.

    The Sweetenham Stud runner Angara will have a good chance, as will Aubonne. If the latter can find the form of the Flower Bowl, albeit in 2004, she will go close. She’s quite lightly raced and will appreciate this much easier surface.

    Red Bloom is probably the one for me though, but I’ll probably wait until they go to post.

    <br>

    #80715
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    Neartic Stakes   G2  6f

    MOSS VALE is one of two here for trainer David Nicholls; he had a Group 3 victory in the Phoenix at The Curragh in August and most recently missed narrowly in one of Europe’s most important sprints when third in the Prix De L’Abbaye on Arc day; he figures to be a stout factor with Kinane.

    DARK CHEETAH was fourth at Belmont in the Lure Stakes last time, an event that came off the lawn and was taken by Around The Cape who is here.

    ATTICUS KRISTY was here for the Nearctic last year and ran well in third; he was back for the Highlander in June when a tight second; he retained his sharpness with a recent win at Kentucky Downs at this distance for Merrill Scherer.

    SGT. BERT was fresh when he recently won the Woodford at Keeneland at five and a half furlongs on turf with an outside rally; that result gives him some standing here.

    SILVER TIMBER is by Prime Timber, a developing source of turf success; he won three in a row on the lawn over the Summer time before a wide trip stopped his streak at Monmouth last time for Linda Rice.

    METRO METEOR is one of two here for Linda Rice and has<br>banked consecutive wins in New York on turf sprinting; he has the right style for this course and it is just a case of his ability to handle giving ground.

    FAST PARADE seems to have been aimed for this event given his scheduling and work pattern at San Luis Rey; he won big at Del Mar in August at five furlongs on turf; Pat Valenzuela rides.

    MAN OF ILLUSION was here for the Highlander and was fifth as the heavy favourite with Atticus Kristy a better second and that one is here; he was sixth last time at Keeneland against Sgt. Bert.

    TERRIFIC CHALLENGE was here for a couple of races in the Spring and was second to the tough Dave The Knave; he has now won three stakes in a row on turf at Monmouth and that gives him standing here.

    IN SUMMATION shortened to five furlongs to run on turf last time and finished narrowly beate,n supplying a good close against early fractions that looked impossibly fast; he seeks his first win on turf.

    PEACE OFFERING is brought in by trainer David Nicholls; he showed good form in Paris at five furlongs two starts ago when a close second in a Group 3 event and has since run well on heavy ground.

    OLD DODGE was here for the Nearctic last October when fifth beaten two lengths; he was beaten out only late in the Grade 1 Shadwell Mile last time and will now shorten to six furlongs.

    AROUND THE CAPE captured the Grade 3 Jaipur at Belmont in the Spring and that is a key reference; he won most recently in the Lure Stakes, an event that came off turf; he retained his sharpness in 1.08.3.

    #80716
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    Canadian International.    G1  12f

    SKY CONQUEROR emerged as the best local marathon runner (…….he means at 12f) on turf in the Spring and Summer time but missed valuable time early in the Autumn; used the prep for the Bunty Lawless at just a mile as his returning prep for this test of class and stamina.

    KASTORIA an Irish based five year old mare who goes for the Aga Khan and trainer John Oxx, passed a test of stamina when capturing the Group 1 Irish St Leger Stakes at home at The Curragh last time under Mick Kinane; freshness is an asset; she seeks her fourth consecutive victory.

    BLUE MONDAY raced at the Group 1 level at York and Sandown in the Summer time when third in consecutive events; he won England’s Arc prep at Newbury in September as the favourite; he gets a test of stamina here at 1 1/2 miles in his first race<br>outside Europe.

    JAMBALAYA is better now than he was last year when he took part in this event; he stayed willingly when a second time lasix user in the Sky Classic Stakes, beaten only late by Breeders’ Cup Turf winner, Better Talk Now.

    LAST ANSWER is most noted for his positive consistency on the edges in recent races; in the Sky Classic Stakes, he was the pacemaker until late when passed by Jambalaya and Better Talk Now at the last instant; he continues to train well.

    METEOR STORM was runner up behind Relaxed Gesture in this event last season; he has had just a single start this year and that was in the Grade 2 Kelso at Belmont, traditionally a prep for the Breeders’ Cup Mile; he extends to 1 1/2 miles here and has good<br>references at the distance.

    GO DEPUTY comes in for record setting trainer Todd Pletcher and is a leading contender; after a victory in the Grade 1 Sword Dancer in August at Saratoga; he followed up with a second in the Grade 1 Man O War last time when repelled by a key winner; the third place finisher, Showing Up, has since come back with a key win in the Jamaica Stakes.

    COLLIER HILL is one of two runners in here along with Kastoria to capture the Irish St Leger, a noted test of stamina; he comes into this event following a victory in the Stockholm Cup a Group 3 event in Sweden which he also captured in 2004; he showed his class earlier this year when second in the Group 1, $5 million<br>Dubai Sheema Classic.

    THE LAST DROP is a three year old against older runners competing for noted trainer Barry Hills and Richard Hills will once again ride; he was aboard for the significant English St Leger Stakes last time when runner up at 50-1; he is a son of the high class Galileo, a winner of the English and Irish Derby.

    RELAXED GESTURE took his initial Grade 1 victory in this event last year with a resounding success on yielding ground; he was sharp on giving ground in the Spring when second to the outstanding Cacique; he was also in the shadow of that one recently in the Grade 1 Man O War with Go Deputy second.

    I am interested in Kastoria (but can’t get committed yet) and the lads down there seem quite bullish, but two things concern me though. The drop in trip is one, although she does travel well and a good long stretch to run at, the other is the ground with it being softer. Not sure soft would equate to Irish soft, but there will be plenty of give in the ground. She strikes me as the ‘classy’ type in the race and still open to improvement.

    Of ‘ours’, I have a soft spot for Jambalya. He ran last year as a 3yo against better horses than this year, Grey Swallow, Electrocutionist, Yeats and the winner, Relaxed Gesture (in this year). He was a little over-faced, but he ran well and the experience didn’t do any harm. Like many of the others, he’s a G2 horse, but always gives his best. Catherine Day-Phillips believes he needs the fast ground, which he won’t get here, but I think all ground comes alike to him and he will appreciate this step back up to 12f. He was beaten 31/4l earlier in the year by Sky Conqueror in the G2 Northern Dancer Cup over C&D, but I would expect him to reverse that tomorrow.

    The US horse and likely favourite Go Deputy has to be respected on his form in the Sword Dancer and Man O’ War, but again the expected soft ground would be a concern.

    #80717
    SirHarryLewis
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1208

    so how soft will the ground actually be??  

    SHL

    #80718
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    <br>Sorry Sir Harry, I wish I could give you an accurate answer.

    I don’t know, it depends on whether the showers forecast actually arrive. I won’t be down until tomorrow and I’ll have a look then.

    It’s not too warm, but the track does dry out quickly, so with no showers, I would expect g/s, certainly on the easy side of good. Last night (Friday) I was told it was soft. Forecast predicts, a chance of showers today and rain tomorrow.

    If you have contact with someone over there with Kastoria, I would ask them, as the official Woodbine description could be slightly misleading.

    <br>

    #80719
    davidbrady
    Member
    • Total Posts 3901

    Are BF not putting a market up for this meeting?<br>

    #80720
    griff11
    Participant
    • Total Posts 116

    I see that the Racing Post have the ground as good, that may be a little deceptive, especially as they have had a fair amount of rain at times in the week and it’s raining quite heavy outside.

    I’m an hour and a half away, but I doubt they’ve missed it.

    <br>

    #80721
    Gareth Flynn
    Participant
    • Total Posts 583

    If the rain keeps coming and there’s a bit of pace on, I could see Relaxed Gesture doubling up.

Viewing 12 posts - 1 through 12 (of 12 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.