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November 14, 2021 at 18:44 #1567618
Since it offends some, I won’t post the latest William Jones newsletter here, but anyone interested can google Goldrush Publications, and this will bring you to his website. He covers his usual doping concerns, and also claims to have the BHA report on Frost-Dunne, which he says he will publish, if they don’t.
November 14, 2021 at 19:58 #1567623You don’t have to wait for any report to be published with regards Frost and Dunne just listen to the “Stories of our Times” podcast from The Times.
David Walsh the Times chief sports writer got a leaked report and tells you all about it.
Very interesting listen.November 14, 2021 at 20:11 #1567626Thanks Louise. Disturbing piece about Tiger Moth. Aside from doping allegations, there’s no denying that Coolmore has a toxic relationship with Australian racing. What’s happened to Nelson? There are plenty of horses with inferior pedigrees and records doing ok at stud in the Southern Hemisphere but he’s completely disappeared after his sole lacklustre Australian appearance in Oct 2019 in the Coongy Cup and I fear the worst for him. I am sure there are more. Rostropovich got lucky and fell into hands who cared enough to save his life after his injury.
November 14, 2021 at 21:01 #1567628I’ll see if I can get my hands on that, droffats – Jones seems to have passed the leaked document on to Walsh. Walsh also covers the Kildare raid today – I only have the actual paper here, but the story is available online. As for Coolmore, Tonge, I suppose with any of those big operations there are a lot of equine losers.
November 14, 2021 at 21:38 #1567643Today’s Kimmage piece is well worth a read and gives some narrative around the premises involved in this weeks seizure
Lance Armstrongs downfall wasn’t ever linked to a failed dope test which is probably worth noting for context here seeing as his name has come up since referenced to in the initial article.
November 15, 2021 at 04:58 #1567667“It’s the lead story on Luck On Sunday this morning.”
Nick Luck worrying about the possibility of drugs in racing. After he has just got back from the Breeders Cup.
November 15, 2021 at 10:50 #1567685Well well, Kimmage & Walsh sniffing around means one thing.
Just an aside, Armstrong failed a drug test in one of his early Tour wins, but it was covered up by those in charge. At the time it didn’t suit the narrative for them.
How do we know racing isn’t doing the same?
November 15, 2021 at 20:59 #1567746The Bolger interview which was quickly rubbished and swept under the carpet, now seems a bit more relevant
In the interim the guy who ran Irish racing has escaped to the curragh to revitalise it
Back at the ranch the No 2 head honcho takes over and instantly gets covered by ten tons of the brown stuff
All intriguing stuff🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
November 15, 2021 at 21:33 #1567748For those who might be interested in the wider international context – this is USADA’s Travers Tygart and Tessa Muir speaking to the TDN Writers’ Room on the US situation, where the new anti-doping guidelines are out for consultation.
USADA’s Travis Tygart and Tessa Muir Join the TDN Writers’ Room
Some key take homes of relevance to events closer to home: the Oireachtas report refers in a positive way to the changes being made in the US with respect to anti-doping – in other words, this is the direction of travel; doping violation is not confined to a failed drugs test (i.e. banned substances) – it encompasses many other violations, including the use of medications and therapeutics that are licensed for other uses (think Salazar and Nike’s Project Oregon or the use of thyroid meds in endurance athletes); and the future (much as in human sport) is equine biological passports combined with retrospective testing. For those not well versed in cycling, Travers even makes reference to Lance Armstrong, US Postal, winter training in Girona and the difficulties USADA had in testing in other jurisdictions.
The relevant section is the first part of the pod, straight after some Breeders Cup talk.
December 18, 2021 at 13:48 #1573146Jorge Navarro, one of the key conspirators in the doping case, has been sentenced on Friday to 5 years in prison. Plus he must pay $26 million in restitution for his crimes.
It’s sickening to read his admittance to having injected X Y Jet over 50 times with his drug called “monkey”. X Y Jet died in January 2020….
“Structures designed for the protection of the horses abused in this case failed repeatedly; fixtures of the industry – owners, veterinarians, and trainers – flouted rules and disregarded their animals’ health while hypocritically incanting a love for the horses under their control and ostensible protection,” U.S. attorney Damian Williams said in a release from the Department of Justice. “Standing as the keystone for this structure of abuse, corruption, and duplicity was Jorge Navarro, a trainer who treated his animals as expendable commodities.”
February 1, 2022 at 19:08 #1580943Well, as perhaps might have been anticipated, things have taken a decidedly interesting turn Stateside in the Fishman trial … The Feds’ wiretaps name even bigger fish.
Fishman Absent From Court After Wiretaps Reveal Him Bragging About Dubai Sales
February 2, 2022 at 22:01 #1581080It’s quite frankly a ******* disgrace that the racing post hasn’t reported one iota over such a bombshell wiretap.
February 3, 2022 at 20:20 #1581169I agree @Kev – the silence from the RP is deafening. A total news blackout on this story. Some limited comment is starting to appear elsewhere in the UK media, but it has been noticeably ‘behind the curve’ for a story like this. The final paragraph of the Department of Justice’s PR is worth a read. Why might the Feds be interested in the systematic use of PEDs in horse racing? The investigative team which put together the evidence for this case is focused on Eurasian Organised Crime …
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/horse-doping-drug-supplier-convicted-manhattan-federal-court
February 3, 2022 at 21:20 #1581180Fair play to the Nick Luck Daily podcast for at least shining some light on it. Found it funny how Tom & Rishi pussy footed around the subject since some of their larger invoices for the year will be for work in Dubai
My initial instinct is that the Dubai connection will be sweeped under the carpet (Queens pal etc) but we shall see with the FBI involved.
Between this and the bust in Ireland that linked Coolmore, my suspicion that all the big guys are at it is looking more plausible.
February 4, 2022 at 07:04 #1581228You may well be right, Kev but I hope not. I don’t need any more depression.
Where have all the good people gone?
February 4, 2022 at 07:07 #1581229Racing press especially the racing post, why are you not covering this story?
Are your vested interests so great that you dare not report on it?
Is your journalistic integrity so poor that not one of you can step out of line?
Or is it that the horse is not as important as you pretend.
Lance Armstrong lied when he said it was all about the bike.
Are you lying to a man when you say it is all about the horse?
You don’t even have to get off the gravy train, just report objectively, remember that?February 4, 2022 at 23:21 #1581388Colin – It’s not all steroids and drugs like that which is 100% cheating. Purely guessing but I think some, very much like 99.9% of athletes, test the boundary line of enhancements to gain the edge.
In Fishman’s testimony he admits to administering BCAAs to horses. For anyone half interested in fitness BCAAs are supplements, commonly used and help promote muscle recovery/growth etc.
I was taking small scoops of Beta Alanine for example when I trained and ran the London Mara last year – A BCAA which reduces the lactate build-up in muscles. Very much a performance enhancing BCAA if used correctly but very much healthy and taken from everyday people to Eliod Kipchoge, the fastest runner to ever live.
Now I’ve no idea how BCAAs affect equine animals but I’d presume relatively along the same lines as humans if not more given the size of the beast. Are they banned? Again, no idea. But I’d hazard a guess at yes on raceday but very much not otherwise as with a lot of drugs in racing.
To counter this potential downplay I find it hard to believe that Dubai and such would seek external support to administer basic supplements like BCAA so more detailed drug abuse is likely to be taking place, but it’s worth exploring the possibility that it’s not such.
TLDR; Fishman may have been administering horses with legit Almino Acids and which most professional athletes would take, rather than steroids and such vile drugs however this isn’t clear as far as I know and not sure Dubai would require specialists to administer such supplements.
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