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From Racing Post – "DONCASTER clerk of the course Jon Pullin has dismissed criticism of his watering policy ahead of this week’s St Leger meeting.
Significant rainfall on Wednesday changed the going from good to firm to good, good to soft in places – with some jockeys reckoning it was very much on the soft side by the end of the afternoon.
Speaking before racing on Thursday, Pullin said: "We had a warm, dry week last week and we were 25C on Saturday and Sunday, which was when we were watering.
"On Sunday morning we assessed the forecast and that was the first indication we had got of rainfall on Wednesday so we
backed off the watering at that stage, just finished off on Monday evening everything up. No watering took place after Monday."Walking it yesterday before racing with an experienced chairman of the stewards and another clerk of the course we were all in agreement that it was on the quicker side[/color:ktdc0nl3]. We got the rain during racing and it sat on the top and they kicked the top out but they weren’t going too far in and they weren’t making too many prints.
"We rolled the track last might and cut it this morning. I am fairly certain it will ride on the easy side still and they will probably kick the top out again today, having raced ion it yesterday and opened it up, but I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of the day it was good ground. It will dry a little bit – we dry fairly quickly here.""
Let’s hope he hasn’t ruined the ground
Funny how he and his cronies all agreed everything is OK, jolly good show.When I was compiling my speed figures this morning for yesterday’s meeting, I ended up with a going allowance of
0.00s/f
per furlong which makes the time based going to be
good
, so why is anybody complaining
I expect Dave Edwards "Top Speed" will be very close to my going estimation, just wait and see
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55 to +0.63
Good/firm +0.20 to +0.53Good -0.25 to +0.18
Good/soft -0.55 to -0.28
Soft -1.00 to -0.58
Heavy -1.58 to -1.03Yesterday’s speed figures:
02:00 Regal Dan 7f
70
02:30 Cour Valant 6f
69
03:05 Sole Power 5f
97
03:40 Patriotic 1m
78
04:10 Proud Chieftain 1m2½f
69
04:45 Born To Surprise 7f
76
05:15 Even Stevens 5f
80
It is probably fortuitous that the BHA edict on watering courses does not extend to Laytown.
"some jockeys reckoning it was very much on the soft side by the end of the afternoon"
Just as their crass "deep and desperate" statement about Kempton AW, BBs figures show that jockey statements about the ground are as credible as S Yorkshire Police statements about football fans.
It is probably fortuitous that the BHA edict on watering courses does not extend to Laytown.
Some of the jockeys there said it was the fastest ground they’d ridden on all summer.
Waste of time having a horse that wants fast ground in this country, we’ve been flooded all summer and even when it stops they still water with rain forecast.I expect Dave Edwards "Top Speed" will be very close to my going estimation, just wait and see
On Wednesday I said the going allowance was
0.00s/f
per furlong and Dave Edwards "Top Speed" made it
+0.02s/f
Moving on to Thursday meeting there were two going allowances, on the straight course "Sprints" the going was
-0.05s/f
per furlong and on the round course the going was
+0.10s/f
per furlong, which makes the round course on the
faster side of good
.
The clerk of the course wins the argument here I think.
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55 to +0.63
Good/firm +0.20 to +0.53Good -0.25 to +0.18
Good/soft -0.55 to -0.28
Soft -1.00 to -0.58
Heavy -1.58 to -1.03Yesterday’s speed figures:
01:15 Jamesbo´s Girl 6½f -0.05
82
01:50 Sunday Times 7f -0.05
86
02:20 The Gold Cheongsam 6½f -0.05
63
02:55 Wild Coco 1m6½f 0.10
90
03:30 Glenard 1m -0.05
65
04:05 Amadeus Wolfe Tone 6f -0.05
80
04:35 Black Spirit 1m2½f 0.10
80
"After the opener Amy Ryan said: "It is lovely ground, they are just getting their toe in," but Luke Morris felt it was "on the slow side of good, a bit sticky", while Tony Hamilton reported it was "a bit dead."
I don’t think the clerk does with the argument, he shouldn’t be watering with rain around. What’s wrong with good-firm ground? Leave the course and if it turns firm then water it.
We prefer good ground in this country.
I must say how beautiful the straight course is, like a gold green.
I don’t think the clerk does with the argument, he shouldn’t be watering with rain around. What’s wrong with good-firm ground? Leave the course and if it turns firm then water it.
You would have loved the going at Wolverhampton last night it was nearly off my going scale at
+0.37s/f
per furlong, which is lightening fast conditions
AW going allowance table:
Fast +0.50s/f
Stand/Fast +0.18s/f to +0.40s/f
Standard -0.15s/f to +0.15s/f
Stand/Slow -0.48s/f to -0.18s/f
Slow -0.70s/f to -0.50s/fYesterday’s Wolverhampton Speed figures:
05:45 Warden Bond 1m1½f 0.37
62
06:20 Tamarkuz 7f 0.37
57
06:50 Cockney Dancer 7f 0.37
65
07:20 Excuse To Linger 6f 0.37
58
07:50 Alnoomaas 6f 0.37
61
08:20 Yungaburra 6f 0.37
45
08:50 Sally´s Swansong 5f 0.37
50
09:20 Daliance 1m4f 0.37
75
Just for the record the only horse on the AW to better my AW going standard of
+0.50s/f
was
Ghostwing
when he set a new course record on the 5f chute at Southwell on the 3rd January 2012.
When I compiled the speed ratings for the race I had to say it was
+0.50s/f
fast per furlong as I had no other higher figure to award.
How’s that for a useless bit of information
Thought I was the only one getting fast times at Wolverhampton in the last month or so! had me worried for a second.
Thought I was the only one getting fast times at Wolverhampton in the last month or so! had me worried for a second.
You are right, the going at Wolverhampton in the past month has been
Standard to fast
and off the top of my head the lowest it has been recently was approx
+0.20s/f
per furlong.
Mind you that is small potatoes when it came to one meeting at
Wexford
recently, I ended up with a going allowance of
+0.60s/f
per furlong which in the old days would have been called
Hard going
AW going allowance table:
Fast +0.50s/f
Stand/Fast +0.18s/f to +0.40s/f
Standard -0.15s/f to +0.15s/f
Stand/Slow -0.48s/f to -0.18s/f
Slow -0.70s/f to -0.50s/fTurf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55 to +0.63
Good/firm +0.20 to +0.53
Good -0.25 to +0.18
Good/soft -0.55 to -0.28
Soft -1.00 to -0.58
Heavy -1.58 to -1.03Just in case anybody is interested, I worked out the above going allowance tables by analysing thousands of races
I have an abstract theory as to why the times are fast.
The all weather has been down to a minimum until recently, the general quality of horses are better this time of year, not to mention that the majority of the results that you have used to compile your standard times are run over a course in the colder months. Therefore an additional variable is unknowingly incorporated into the equation.
Just a thought.
I’ve always been of the view that jockey’s comments on ground conditions should be taken with a large pinch of salt. That said, I’ve reported from Musselburgh myself on jockey’s perceptions after race 1 as it, somehow, seems intuitively of interest.
Logically, it’d be pretty difficult for them to comment other than in the broadest of terms. They might have an ‘idea’ of how it is riding but figs like those of Blues Brother, will always be more accurate, I’d suggest.
And, to be fair, I’m sure they (the jockeys) only comment when asked the question, rather than professing some expertise on the subject.
Well the big day is here at last and I hope that
Camelot
runs them into the ground
The ground conditions today should be on the faster side of good as I estimated the going at Doncaster yesterday to be even all over at
0.00s/f
per furlong producing perfect
good
going
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55 to +0.63
Good/firm +0.20 to +0.53Good -0.25 to +0.18
Good/soft -0.55 to -0.28
Soft -1.00 to -0.58
Heavy -1.58 to -1.03Yesterday’s speed figures:
01:15 Sir Prancealot 5f
75
01:50 Sir Graham Wade 1m6½f
83
02:20 Times Up 2m2f
75
02:55 Certify 1m
82
03:30 Ashdan 7f
62
04:05 Cape Classic 6½f
82
04:35 Dick Doughtywylie 1m2½f
90
If you want to assess the 2yo’s against the older horses just add
8lb
to the speed figure.
To all the critics of the clerk of the course at Doncaster about his watering policy, they should all be eating large portions of humble pie this morning
To all the critics of the clerk of the course at Doncaster about his watering policy, they should all be eating large portions of humble pie this morning
I wouldn’t agree with that, it should have been good to firm or faster all week.
I would agree with Mark Johnston though who said of the clerk of the course, "He seems to be a very nice chap but he simply doesn’t know what good flat racing ground is".
The good to firm boys on this board got their wish yesterday with the going at
+0.30s/f
per furlong, perfect
good to firm
conditions.
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55 to +0.63
Good/firm +0.20 to +0.53
Good -0.25 to +0.18
Good/soft -0.55 to -0.28
Soft -1.00 to -0.58
Heavy -1.58 to -1.03Yesterday’s speed figures:
01:50 Quick Wit 1m 0.30
103
02:25 Toronado 7f 0.30
65
03:00 Doc Hay 5½f 0.30
93
03:40 Encke 1m6½f 0.30
82
04:15 Libranno 7f 0.30
91
04:50 Rising Legend 1m 0.30
75
05:20 Viking Storm 1m4f 0.30
94
To all the critics of the clerk of the course at Doncaster about his watering policy, they should all be eating large portions of humble pie this morning
I wouldn’t agree with that, it should have been good to firm or faster all week.
I would agree with Mark Johnston though who said of the clerk of the course, "He seems to be a very nice chap but he simply doesn’t know what good flat racing ground is".
Forget what mark Johnson says. Can you Yeats tell us why the ground should have been good / firm or firm ???? This is not America.
Perhaps you wanted firm ground for a horse you like, but that would not be a sensible reason why the ground should be firm for all the other horses.
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