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Now before I have a lynch mob hiring buses to head to Dunoon with
burning torches and pitch folks, let me make it clear that I think he
is a despicable creature with an appalling atitudes to women, or to
all right minded people for that matter, the question I’m asking is
do you think he got a fair deal (even if you couldn’t give a ****)
in the civil case against E Jean Carroll.I’ll just open this up first for any comment, or no comment, before I
expand further.Ok dinner is past now. There are so many things stacking up against
Trump, which could end up in criminal court. I wouldn’t lose any sleep
if he were found guilty of whatever and ended his days in jail. Having
to be careful what is said, until he’s found guilty, he’s innocent. Like
it or not that’s what makes the difference between our and the US Courts,
and those of Pakistan who suddenly come up with over 90 serious charges
for Imran Khan who was just about to stand for President again.So what about Trump, is he capable of committing the offences libelled,
going by his previous recorded responses, most certainly. What I have a
problem with is, did the jury find him guilty because he is Trump or
because there was sufficient evidence. That’s where I have a problem.
For all I’d rather have Trump sent off to Tazmania, how do you find someone
guilty of a crime where there are no witnesses, no forensic evidence and
not only is there no date of the crime, there is no year provided either.So how do you defend a man when you have no idea when the crime was committed,
not just no date but no year is established and there is no admission of guilt.
How can you put up an alibi. What was the evidence he was convicted on?Whilst I know it’s a civil court, and the level of evidence is more based on
the likelihood, I’m still scratching my head on what evidence, other than the
plaintiff’s version of events, actually convicted him.Again I’ll make it clear I don’t think Trump is fit for office, but I’m a
stickler for getting things right, no matter who you are, and I’m just
uncomfortable with this outcome.Feel free to call me a Trump loving scum, I’ll be happy to defend that one too
“Feel free to call me a Trump loving scum”
I think you might be bracing for incoming fire a bit needlessly, tbh, Graham.
Thus far, no one seems to give a **** either way – you’ve dodged a bullet up to now!
None of it puts any more tubs of raspberry sorbet in my fridge freezer, either way, so I’m finding it hard to care about any of it.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"It’s very hard to be objective about such a divisive figure. For every person who’d happily hang, draw and quarter him ‘because he’s Donald Trump’, there’s another who thinks he can do no wrong and the entire legal system is some conspiracy against their hero.
It’s fair comment BigG and it does not make you a Trump apologist for trying to see it from the other side. I wonder how many of his cultlike devotees do the same?
Fair comment Ian and Richard, personally I don’t care if they put him in the hole
in Sing Sing, I just wondered if anyone felt the jury might not have been objective.
As you guys indicate, I doubt anyone gives a flying fluck what happens to him, except
as you say Richard, his own Trumpees.Maybe the judge was swayed by the way he said on camera that he always carried mints because he never knew when there would be a woman who found him irresistible ( although that wasn’t the way he described it). Or because of the stomach churning way he spoke to Megyn Kelly.
Is Trump objective ? , remember during covid this is the man who told the nation that injecting bleach may kill it ….. , he,s the world’s biggest conman and anyone who trusts him deserves to have there wallet emptied
“For all I’d rather have Trump sent off to Tazmania”
What have the good people of Tas done to deserve that?
Trump has been recorded saying that he likes to “grab women by the pussy”. This reflects his entitled attitude, which is the result of being rich and, in his eyes, above the law.
While the man clearly isn’t particularly likeable, the bigger issue is that the deification of wealth in modern society puts the rich on a pedestal and celebrity apparently excuses many misdemeanours.
I fully agree with you, BigG.
Like you, I have little regard for Mr Trump as a person. But that is beside the point.
If someone is accused of something, they are entitled to a fair trial and to the presumption of innocence at the outset. The burden is on the prosecution to prove their guilt.
This concept used to be widely accepted and understood. I am not so sure it is anymore in the social media age, where an accusation is often taken as proof of guilt and twitter mobs call for people to be cancelled.
In the case of Trump: it looks to me like his political opponents are obsessed with him and are absolutely determined to nail him for something eventually.
Trump is of course quite happy to use social media to spread false claims when it suits him, he and his own social media mob wanted to ‘cancel’ the result of the last election. That does not make spreading false claims about him right but he can have little cause for complaint when it goes against him.
He also does not help himself by making the sorts of comments that Moe and Glad highlighted. Whilst they aren’t directly related to the case, they do help to paint that picture of entitlement. It can be very hard to shake off such a reputation.
The verdict was unanimous and it would be interesting to know where the jurors are politically but I guess we never will. New York is of course strongly blue but statistically if you pick 12 people at random then a couple will be Republicans.
Just as an aside, I like to think the Lounge is a gentler, more whimsical, debating society nowadays.
No one would pinch a third biscuit with their after-dinner filter coffee, still less call another Lounge Club Member “scum.”
We still all love a “heated debate,” though!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Did anyone see the interview he gave the other day where he referred to the woman who won the case against him. He spoke about her in the way he speaks about women in general ‘has she got a husband, if she does have one I feel sorry for him etc etc ‘. The audience loved it.
Tbf, I’ve heard quite a few women use the same device when talking about men.
No man is fit to judge any woman – and no woman is fit to judge any man.
Being single is a unilateral life choice for many, thus relieving an entire gender of the burden of collectively rejecting them!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Valid points made by all, and thanks for giving your views. I have no sympathy for the man,
I’m just kind of hard nosed about trials. I’ve seen many an awful one. Glad you’re quite
right the people of Tazmania don’t deserve to have him thrust on them, what about if he’s
put in with a colony of Tazmanian Devils
His previous comments about woman no
doubt paint a picture of a man who is more than capable of sexually assaulting women. Has
that been enough, perhaps.The judge may well have been swayed Moe, but at the end of the day it’s the jurors who have
the say.You’re probably right Ian, the lounge has become a more comfortable place to take your slippers
off to, although, as you allude to, a bit of Stephen Sackur Hardtalk, gets the circulation going
now and again.Many thanks to all
He now faces federal charges of espionage. As always he playing the same song of Billy Joel “An Innocent Man” but they must have a strong case against him. He’s to be arrested on Tuesday.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.The indictment outlines his appalling and irresponsible behaviour, but if Republicans were too cowardly to stand up to him after Jan 6, they never will.
https://nitter.cz/donwinslow/status/1667372069095628800#m
Could equally apply to a certain someone this side of the pond.
His previous comments about woman no
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