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against Fallon for breaking rules regarding using unregistered mobile phone and passing information to a betting syndicate?
Does "they’ve effectively already done so by banning him from riding in Britain in recent months" count as a Yes or a No?
He has already been banned for a period and already been banned from riding in the UK for more than a year (sorry don’t know the exact length of time).
He has admitted to the offences that you have stated – do you really think these offences deserve more than what he has already served? They are hardly the crimes of the century in my opinion Wallace.
Mike
I don`t think the HRA will have the bottle to go after Fallon!
More interesting in my opinion :-
Will heads roll at the HRA?The city of London police?,The CPS?
and the funding,did the HRA agree on funding ?……..if they did they should be shot in public!
I guess some people won`t be sleeping well tonight!
My answer is NO. The image of horse racing has already suffered enough from the ridiculous trial and it may look like there is a witch hunt against him by the BHA if they took this action which would produce more bad publicity. He has been unable to ride in the UK for a long time which is punishment enough imo.
Mr Fallon to you admit passing information to a betting syndicate for financial gain?……"Yes your honour me and every other half decent Jockey that ever sat on a race horse"
The BPA would have to be mad to take this any further. God knows what could come out of it. Who knows what Fallon could come up with if facing a long jail sentence……….tell all and we’ll reduce your sentence…….Boom the end of racing as we know it. The damage it could do would be devastaing to racing. The whol thing should never have come out to start with. Whats didn’t they know Willie C had enough punters to fill a double decker bus? Or LP made a fortune from giving info to punters with oil fields? OR that JF stopped RV in the triumph and called the owner said sorry gave it a bad ride and then stopped it at again Aintree and made another fortune. Do they know Frankie is a s straight as a they come…….these things have been public knowledge for years. So why Fallon? maybe he humped the wrong guy’s wife
On a much smaller scale I had a quiet word whispered in my ear many years ago by Ladbrokes about betting a certain Jockeys horse,s……."Could you please stop telling everyone" we don’t mind you having 4 or 5 grand on but we’re taking fortunes everytime you bet a horse the ****** ***** is riding, I assured them I wasn’t telling anyone.
Turned out it was there staff calling other shops in the area and the news spread like wilfire……..so they asked me to open an account and call my bets in to avoid that happening. No question of me being barred or them reporting the Jockey……despite me having a 90% + strike rate………I suspect they simply used the information to make money themselves and were happy to lay me a decent price and pay me out. The fact I was I was also betting other horses with them at that time and overall they probably won out the deal even If I personally was well in front.
Within a couple of months, just in case, I stopped betting with Ladbrokes and had someone on the course bet for me if I couldn’t bet myself.The point is It’s impossible to continually bet any Jockey’s winners or lay his losers without drawing attention to yourselves.
A quiet word in Fallons ear by the right people and the whole thing coud have been avoided. Clowns have been watching too many Perry Mason TV shows.Yes the BHA need to inquire as to whether the parties have broken the rules of racing, even if they haven’t committed a criminal offence, and if they have, then they need to be punished suitably.
Fist of Fury, you seem to have totally missed the point regarding the difference between a criminal investigation and one by the sports governing body. And just because something has happened in the past, doesn’t mean we should condone it in the present and future. I don;t hear you condoning slavery.
As far as I was aware, Fallon et al were banned pending the outcome of a criminal enquiry. The criminal enquiry came to the conclusion that the trial could not continue further, it does not mean that all accused parties are innocent. So I’d be in favour of the BHA taking a look at the incidents that led to the criminal enquiry in the first place. Should any of the accused be seen as in breach of the rules, they should be punished accordingly and indiscriminately.
As far as I was aware, Fallon et al were banned pending the outcome of a criminal enquiry. The criminal enquiry came to the conclusion that the trial could not continue further, it does not mean that all accused parties are innocent. So I’d be in favour of the BHA taking a look at the incidents that led to the criminal enquiry in the first place. Should any of the accused be seen as in breach of the rules, they should be punished accordingly and indiscriminately.
That’s a fair point Friggo – but hasn’t Fallon alone already served a 17 month ban from riding in the UK while he awaited the trial. Therefore, if the BHA find him in breach of any rules, then they should take the 17 months already served into consideration shouldn’t they?
Mike
That’s a fair point Friggo – but hasn’t Fallon alone already served a 17 month ban from riding in the UK while he awaited the trial. Therefore, if the BHA find him in breach of any rules, then they should take the 17 months already served into consideration shouldn’t they?
You’re absolutely right, Mikky, but I’m not happy letting the entirety of them go free as I feel there has almost certainly been some wrong-doing somewhere along the line.
What one has to bear in mind, for example, was the BHA aware that Kieren Fallon deliberately gave information to professional gamblers? If so, he deserves a ban, regardless of the grounds for the initial suspension, as those have no bearing whatsoever on the rules he is adjudged to have broken. Today he was seen to be acquitted of defrauding Betfair customers, but it doesn’t make him exempt from internal fraud trials based on the evidence presented in the duration of this trial.
As far as I was aware, Fallon et al were banned pending the outcome of a criminal enquiry. The criminal enquiry came to the conclusion that the trial could not continue further, it does not mean that all accused parties are innocent. So I’d be in favour of the BHA taking a look at the incidents that led to the criminal enquiry in the first place. Should any of the accused be seen as in breach of the rules, they should be punished accordingly and indiscriminately.
Actually the judgement that there was no case to answer does make them innocent in the eyes of the law, and it is contempt of court to say otherwise.
BHA have to avoid acting unfairly in that they cannot just pick on these persons without also charging the rest. Politically, they need to avoid looking vindicative because they have made made to look complete fools. Racing cannot afford to pay further unnecessary legal costs as well as further compensation to Fallon etc. BHA also need to keep a low profile so that racing’s tattered image can hope to recover.
David: People like you are in the minority on this subject thank God
Criminal Investigations? Is Fallon a criminal? or is he just a bigger fish to fry…….There would be 100 arrests a week if they ran racing by the book and whether you steal a carrot or a carat the law should be the same.People like you would ruin the game entirely if you were let loose.
That’s all betting is…. is a game. Full of greedy people wanting to take other peoples money off them. Most of which are bookmaking companies
Tell me what’s worse1. A Jockey passing info to a punter/s to make a few quid. As in this will win or this won’t cos we are stopping it
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2. A bookie taking a huge bet of some unsuspecting punter midweek on a horse he knows 100% won’t run in the race on the Saturday.
You think for 1 minute there is a bookie who doesn’t get info from trainers and Jockeys, that you are not made aware of then you are crazy. If you think he wouldn’t take the money knowing he couldn’t possibly lose then your even more crazy.
What should we call that Insider Trading or what? Is there some kind of law that protects the punter from these people? Who is worse the crooked Jockey or the crooked Bookie?
All’s fair in love and war as far as I’m concerned……..The stewards are not totally stupid and as we know have been known to miss the obvious… I know at least 2 Jockeys who were banned for crimes not commited. They were as far as the public was concerned being done for one thing but they were actually being punished for another. The other had come to the attention of the Stewards at alter date, Walls have ears……first chance they got they done them big time. I
Racing crimes if you want to call them that are in abundance every day of the week depending on how you interperate the law. You might get away with it for a little while but when you cross the line and go too far the Stewards will have you one way or the other.
Let racing take care of there own is what I say.
Maybe the BHA should be working with the CPS to try and justify the estimated £10m this case has cost the very tax-payers who have to suffer a (marginally) corrupt industry the former is supposedly charged with regulating.
Actually the judgement that there was no case to answer does make them innocent in the eyes of the law, and it is contempt of court to say otherwise.
Hands up, you’re spot on. Only problem is I’m completely in opposition to the double jeopardy law, so choose to ignore that!
If further evidence were to be presented the notion that they are still innocent regardless of said evidence is as ridiculous as the case initially used to prosecute them!And just a quick note to FoF, it is that kind of attitude that has alienated racing to the general public in the first instance, we could do without more of the same behaviour. All connections to the industry should be made accountable to a criminal court if their actions are deemed illegal.
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