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  • #9613
    Avatar photoGerald
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    Star De Mohaison Hurdle rating 139

    Would have to run in a qualifier to go for the Pertemps Final.

    (Now this posting is a joke. :roll: )[/b]

    #196545
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    Couldn’t resist it.

    In recompense, after I’ve had a go at the GN, SGB (20th) and Paddy Power Chase (27th) I’ll have a go at the trends for the Coral Cup at New Year. 10 year version this time.

    The only bet I can recall having on a H’cap Hdle in the past 20 years was Blue Bajan in the Schweppes, and that was only because I was using the angle that it was being ridden by Richard Hughes – I thought he might put the jump jockeys in their place. :oops:

    Note to self:

    Race closes Noon, 17th February
    Penalties. After Feb 22nd, a winner of a hurdle race 5lb
    No penalty to increase a horse’s weight above 11st12lb

    2008 Naiad du Misselot (? – I’ve still never heard of that one)
    2007 Burntoakboy
    2006 Sky’s The Limit
    2005 Idole First
    2004 Monkerhostin
    2003 Xenophon
    2002 Ilnamar
    2001 Foot & Mouth
    2000 What’s Up Boys
    1999 Khayrawani
    1998 Top Cees

    #196553
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    has had a breathing operation and my jumping prospects book says he is going novice chasing.

    #210610
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    2008
    -71 NAIAD DU MISSELOT Ferdy Murphy 7-11-12 OR130
    5 Hurdle races Last Run 3 months previous
    win was Haydock Class 2

    2007
    -98923521 BURNTOAKBOY Dr RDP Newland 9-9-12 (5lb Jockey allowance)
    30 Hurdle races Last Run 42 days ago
    Win was Class 3 Leicester 21f, by 19 lengths

    2006
    -5050121 SKY’S THE LIMIT EJ O’Grady 5-11-12 v1 OR144
    8 Hurdle races Last Run 3 months ago
    Furthest previous attempt 18f

    2005
    -1626 IDOLE FIRST Miss Venetia Williams 6-10-10 OR131
    8 Hurdle races Last Run 32 days ago

    2004
    -134231 MONKERHOSTIN PJ Hobbs 7-10-8 OR147
    21 Hurdle races Last Run 18 days ago
    Last win Kempton 25f

    2003
    -21 XENOPHON AJ Martin 7-11-0 OR130
    5 Hurdle races Last Run 59 days ago (Pierse Hurdle)

    2002
    -54U [all Chases] ILNAMAR MC Pipe 6-10-5 OR137
    9 Hurdle races (Ex-French) Last Run 46 days ago

    2001
    FOOT & MOUTH
    Last won in 1967

    2000
    -11P3 WHAT’S UP BOYS PJ Hobbs 6-10-3
    4 Hurdle races Last Run 38 days ago

    1999
    -6 KHAYRAWANI C Roche 7-11-3
    16 Hurdle Races 2nd in race previous year
    Last Run 117 days ago

    1998
    TOP CEES
    I ain’t saying nothing – I don’t want to get sued.

    CONCLUSIONS
    Well, the good news is that we don’t have to look for a horse with a row of duck eggs. Also, it is very likely to be in the handicap. (Top Cees was 2lb oh.)
    Only one 5yo.
    Horse is very likely to be Irish, ex-Irish or ex-French, but I suppose that isn’t saying too much.
    5 of the last 6 had won last time out, but that is a new trend.

    edit: Winners tend to come from behind, but I think one ran prominently.

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    Given the head scratching Catch Me’s connections currently have about a tilt at the Champion Hurdle or World Hurdle. Surely a look at this race would have some merit. He doesn’t quite look good enough for either championship race and the performances this season of top weights such as Fair Along, Punchestowns and Lough Derg in intermediate or staying handicaps is evidence of class winning out recently.

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    2001
    FOOT & MOUTH

    Last won in 1967

    Very droll! :D

    #211225
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    This is novel – I don’t think I’ve ever had a bet in the Coral Cup, not even when I was a child.

    150 entrants, so you’re not getting a horse-by-horse guide, as it would take me a fortnight at the pace I do ’em.

    Two things I will do though. Have a go at the 2m5f H’cap Hurdle at Kempton on Saturday, and do a precis of the Coral Cup entrants who won last time out.

    After that, I’m going into pre-season training for the Flat, and Spring Training for the Fantasy Baseball season, so I won’t be making so many posts.

    Looking through the entries these are the ones that catch my eye

    Bulwark
    Chief Yeoman
    Grizebeck
    Little Josh
    Mamlook (even though he is 5yo)
    Naiad Du Misselot (8lbs higher probably, than last year)
    Pierrot Lunaire (running at Fontwell on Sunday. Won’t he skip Cheltenham, with the main aim being Aintree?)
    Serabad
    Silver Jaro

    Looks like I have a paucity of Irish horses, and will need to do some genning up.

    edit: I’m a bit squiffy, and I’ve agreed to work overtime on Saturday, so I’ll give the h’cap hdle at Kempton a miss.

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    Is Realt Dubh likely to take his chance here….anyone know? thank you

    #213296
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    Is Realt Dubh likely to take his chance here….anyone know? thank you

    I am sure Noel Meade was quoted as saying the horse would not travel but that was a few days ago and it hasn’t stopped the bookmakers quoting skinny prices for both the Coral Cup and County Hurdle.

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    thanks stilvi would certainly be an interesting runner an impressive horse with a big upside

    #214347
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    I would like to see Kirbybroguelantern go for this. If Lough Derg runs he is in weights and 50/1 looks value to me. Many of those at top of market (Pause And Clause, The Polomoche, P’Tit Fute, Mirage Dore and Leg Spinner) will not want soft ground. He is also in the Martin Pipe but that looks more of a plot race to me and given his handy weight this looks the best option.

    #214352
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    Theres one horse that stands out to me in the coral cup and thats McManus’s horse Dancing Tornado, he ran a good race on heavy ground behind Lough derg and Searbad last time, but in the pierse hurdle he looked like gd-sft was his optimal ground so I would seriously fancy him to win to win this.

    Bulwark is goign for the pertemps final I think, but will watch and see on that as had a little go on him in the albert bartlett last year and he didnt run and went to aintree instead, if there a good pace on I could see him going well in the pertemps.

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    Bulwark is goign for the pertemps final I think, but will watch and see on that as had a little go on him in the albert bartlett last year and he didnt run and went to aintree instead, if there a good pace on I could see him going well in the pertemps.

    Bulwark appeared to travel well at Haydock but didn’t get home. I think that was a pretty good race though and I would give chances to Synchronised, Scriptwriter (value may have gone) and Heathcliff from the same race.

    #214360
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    I thought that was the best he’s ever looked over hurdles, he came into it quite promisingly but I think it was probably speed he was done for on the basis that Ive never seen Bulwark ever done for stamina, he just keeps galloping forever. When the jockey starts rowing on them at the end of a staying race especially it sometimes makes them look tired because ethey just cant find that extra gear.

    It looks like Williams may be making in roads with his hurdling though, as last season he looked to completely hate it, but in that haydock race seemed happy enough. I reckon on gd-sft at a competetive pace he’d come up the hill quite well in the pertemps but the coral cup I would imagine is a bit short as he doesnt have a lot of speed, and if they even go a bit slow he’ll be beaten some distance from home.

    I also have scriptwriter in mind for either the coral or the pertemps, ahvent quite worked him out though.

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    I’ve just done Pouvoir at 33/1. He’s only just out of the handicap and hopefully his prep run would have brought him on nicely. He’s got some good course form (impressive course and distance win in the Relkeel hurdle) and hopefully is still open to some improvement.

    #215049
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    I’m sorry I haven’t made a greater contribution to this thread I created. I’m too tired to do a runner-by-runner analysis, but I’ve just put an hour’s wages on Ninetieth Minute. I am genuinely surprised that he is not the favourite.

    #215051
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    Pause and Clause should be favourite imo…. seems to have slipped in on a rather leniant weight.

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