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With Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer returning to a semblance of form. Perhaps the stewards should be looking at the Aintree runnings of these animals and having a word with their respective trainers.
There are bloody jockeys in court at the moment for non tryers and here we have two horses not off a bloody inch in their last runs.
OR IS IT "ALRIGHT" BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS TOLD "IT WILL COME ON FOR THE RUN".
with modern facilities there is not a reasonable argument for failing to present a racehorse at the course fit enough to do himself justice.
Bunch of Bloody HYPOCRITES.
The sycophants at the Racing Post are no better. It will all be condoned. Accepted as part and parcel of the game.
AS soon as a trainer open his mouth and out comes the "it will come on for the run" bullshit, the stewards should tell him to take the bleeding saddle off, get it in the van and bring it back when its ready to effin race.
I can’t agree, the real barney. It’s cobblers, in fact.
Monets Garden is a 160 beast around Aintree, which means that Kauto has probably ran up close to the best of his form, in going down by 1L, conceding a stone over an inadequate trip.
Exotic Dancer was within hailing distance until two out, and was allowed to come home in his own time, when all chance was gone. And he’s a horse who always seems to run poorly first time out (he was also mullered behind Turpin Green fto last season).
PS. Welcome to TRF.
We all know what O’Neill does with his horses first time out (and for much of the season in some cases) so it should be no surprise to see the horse get pumelled first time out
……..and you’d want Alan King hanged for My Way’s run?
Strange to suggest that Kauto Star wasn’t "off an inch" after being given, what I thought was, a very hard race at Aintree?!
You will often hear a trainer say that a horse is "as fit as I can get him/her at home" but that doesn’t mean the horse is hard trained/race fit. A racecourse outing will almost always bring a horse on.
The evidence is there for Exotic Dancer, if I remember correctly he ran a stinker at Carlisle a couple of days before winning at Cheltenham last season. And I am hopeful that My Way will come on a hell of a lot for his run yesterday, another horse who didn’t show his best form on his seasonal reappearance last year.
Colin
its like football players, michael owen for example and keeping the racing theme going, needs a few full games for newcastle before he can become fully match fit and on the ball – perhaps big sam should be told keep him in the dressing room till he’s fully ready …. then again that wasn’t the best example in the world
bruce grobellar, on the other hand ….
Barney
What a load of rubbish!It was always going to be a tough ask for KS to give away a stone to Monets Garden over 2.4 miles and overall KS ran a very good race.
Paul Nicholls actually said before Aintree that his horse might need the race.
You cannot tell me that K.S. or E.D. were as you say ‘not off a bloody inch’Paul Nicholls gives an honest opinion as to the chances of his runners and you may do well to read and re read his Saturday postings in the R.P.
Yesterday the headline was He reckoned Kauto Star was back in business he also warned punters that Taranis was not ‘thrown in’.
He also warned about the chances of Gwanako.
He also thought Opera Mundi was crying out to left handed and over 3 miles and he stated that if he did not win yesterday there was another race he had in mind.
He also thought that Natal was up aginst it at Huntingdon
right Im off to Plumpton where he hopes his Gansey will make a winning debut and later this week he fancies his chances with Silverburn at Newbury
What more can he do to assist punters?
I thought Exotic Dancer was given a pretty easy time of things at Aintree and said so at the time but to suggest Kauto Star did is laughable frankly.
Barney
What a load of rubbish!It was always going to be a tough ask for KS to give away a stone to Monets Garden over 2.4 miles and overall KS ran a very good race.
Paul Nicholls actually said before Aintree that his horse might need the race.
You cannot tell me that K.S. or E.D. were as you say ‘not off a bloody inch’Paul Nicholls gives an honest opinion as to the chances of his runners and you may do well to read and re read his Saturday postings in the R.P.
What more can he do to assist punters?
Here here! It was a very different trip and the amount of weight Kauto was carrying must have made a huge difference! I don’t see why the stewards should be involved, after all he came 2nd. He actually was fit to race to do that, if he wasn’t fit he’d had pulled up!
yer all watching a different game than me,
Monets was’t off an inch either.
Jesus, if they both didn’t panic and shuffle into action when the horse that should have won (Ashley Brook) fell.
To pretend that the complexity of the race did not significantly alter at that point defies belief
The best news to come out of this thread is that the ridiculous swear censor appears to have been canned…
‘Bout ******’ time if you ask me!
EDIT: FFS, apparently it’s not…
First off Jonjo never gave instructions to stop ED. If he had won he would have won and Jonjo would have been delighted. You can take that as Gospel.
As it turned ED needed the run he blew up as they thought he might…..so what was the Jockey meant to do?……….knock the ssshit out of him to get him in the race so he could fold up like a pack of cards and still finsihed well beaten and totally exhausted? Do you think the horse would come on from that? He’s not a friggin machine mate.
Jonjo has forgotten more about horses than you will ever learn so let the guy do his job and you do yours. As a punter you are entitled to know nothing and if Jonjo is good enough to tell people he will come on for the run then think yourself bloody lucky.
Kauto wasn’t off? are you for real? you don’t stop the best horse in the country while the whole world is watching…………..an absolutely rediculous statement.
The day they listen to people like you and start knocking horses about that need a runs there will be a blue moon in the sky.
Anyway welcome to the forum enjoy it you might learn something
What more is there to add?
But if punters howl even when trainers give clear indications of prospects (and King and Nichols are simply superb at this) we could risk such trainers deciding the criticism isnt worth it and end up with the "noneofyourbusiness and itsonlytheownersthatmatter" of the Dick Hern days (should be remebered that the posion dwarf Carson was a big advocate of that line of thinking)
I was amazed at the sentiments that started this thread
Listen,
I have a lot of time for both trainers, in fact most of them, in what must sometimes seem an impossible task (presenting a horse at the course ready to run on his merits).
Very few on here would, I suspect, know what goes on behind closed doors or in private conversations between the powers that be and individuals that raise concern.
For all we know, that may be the reason that racehorses are given a public gallop, because they may have had a bollocking, or alternatively to alleviate any apprehension that interested individuals may have of potential doubts of schooling in public before an up and coming big and important race.
Nobody would tell you anyway would they?
Listen,
I have a lot of time for both trainers, in fact most of them, in what must sometimes seem an impossible task (presenting a horse at the course ready to run on his merits).
Very few on here would, I suspect, know what goes on behind closed doors or in private conversations between the powers that be and individuals that raise concern.
For all we know, that may be the reason that racehorses are given a public gallop, because they may have had a bollocking, or alternatively to alleviate any apprehension that interested individuals may have of potential doubts of schooling in public before an up and coming big and important race.
Nobody would tell you anyway would they?
The fact is Barney horses are stopped no one is disputing that. When they are there are far more people know than you might think. It’s no where near as big a secret as a horse that’s going for a touch and most of those associated with the yard, know when they are not wanted, Then the lads in the loacl pub know, then the bookies know, then more than a few punters on the course get to know and the horse drifts and all us stay at home punters ain’t got a friggin clue and we lose our bollocks on it
When you are riding or watching them work a good horse stands out like a sore thumb . I spent a lot of time on the gallops both riding and watching………..and saw young novice hrudlers work over 7 furlongs you would think would be a certainty the next time they ran they were so impressive.
Put the same young horse on a race course and if he is not mature enough or strong enough he will win nothing. So you give him a nice quiet run to bring him on as hopefully he has a long career ahead of him. Some horse need that TLC touch throughout their entire careesr or they wouldn’t run an inch for you trained any other way. They are just like people do them wrong they won’t do a tap for you.
FOF,
I have owned several horses and always made a conscious effort to ride each one. I am fully aware of the differences in temperament and the different handling that individuals need when facing the racecourse. I wouldn’t want next years Derby winner touched with a whip on a wet and windy October day at Nottingham if I owned or trained the prospect.
I don’t want to press the point too much, but here we have two experienced trainers with horses who are seven years old. Not racecourse debutant hurdlers or immature 2yr olds.
One ran seven times between November and April the other ran seven times between October and March. One finished either first or second on each occasion the other won at each occasion. Both horses have proved themselves to be "extremely consistent" (depending on the measure used) and able to hold their form at peak for an extended duration(the sign of a top class horse), at least six or seven months, from the start to the end of the season with all big races between taken in.
WHY, when considering the current court case and climate of horses not trying or in extreme cases being prevented from winning, is it Ok to state that the horse WILL COME ON FOR THE RUN.
Just seems a stupid own goal to me, and people concerned should be told as much.
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