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Racing would be the winner if AP won Sports Personality of the year,its his to lose!
No it wouldn’t.
Why wouldn"t it Jose? Surely do more good than harm!
If you look at things in that light, possibly.
But, like Greg Wood stated, it will probably take around 200,000 votes for McCoy to win. From that he got 80,000 ish votes in 2002, so if 200,000 people out of a population of 60 million vote for him, what has racing gained even in terms of number of votes?
20,000 are employed in racing.
At the same time, does it not make it impossible for any jockey to win the award again? Why is McCoy in 2010 more worthy of a nomination than Ryan Moore? Personality is practically irrelevant, and they should change the name of the award.
Racing doesn’t gain anything obvious from what I can see.
And I don’t think he deserves to win on the basis of bravery, winning a 40 runner handicap that arguably shows the sport at its worst and being 15 time champion jockey. His competition these days for that… Richard Johnson and no one.
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I’d love to see this thread deleted waste of space IMO
Not for he first time the gender of the journalist involved in this has been mentioned.
So let’s be clear – it should have nothing to do with the discussion/argument – but if it does then it says something imv about the views put forward by those who choose to mention it/consider it important.
I’d love to see this thread deleted waste of space IMO
I"m sure some might say the same about our little competition,if there was an ink shortage you would be banned!
Just a humble nobody punter with a love of the sport and fair play,
Nothing wrong with that John this thread is basically Black and White, agree or disagree that its Ok for AP MCCoy to throw his dummy out and refuse to speak to the best racing programme screened! My opinion is quite clear,i love to see spoilt brats fall flat on their A"se and Denman did a perfect job! Their are far more controversial threads than this one,dont involve yourself in those if it puts the wind up you! Keep posting.i like your originality!
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Once again Racing’s little village misses the point.
THIS is the 21st century, PERCEPTION is important, if indeed SPOTY’s viewers were informed that the 15 times champion jockey wouldn’t reply to criticism of a ride he probably wouldn’t be fav.
LISTEN(sorry AOB) the general publics perception of Racing is that its run by insiders FOR insiders, from this little squabble to the BHA/Bookmakers etc its seems to the outside world that you are not allowed to question the status quo.
If that’s the way you want it-Fine, just dont complain when there are only about 30 courses and mainstream TV coverage becomes virtually non existent and prize money goes totally down the pan due to lack of interest.
Lydia is one of a few journalists who is not afraid to speak her mind and ask awkward questions.
The rest are a bunch of smug sycophants.
It is stupid that AP and other jockeys are not prepared to discuss or explain. As for The Daily Mail comments, I wouldn’t expect anything else from that paper.
The media, dominated by the powerful, eventually demote or get rid of anyone who dares to investigate and challenge those who are in control, or those who are controlled eg AP.Just a humble nobody punter with a love of the sport and fair play,
Nothing wrong with that John this thread is basically Black and White, agree or disagree that its Ok for AP MCCoy to throw his dummy out and refuse to speak to the best racing programme screened! My opinion is quite clear,i love to see spoilt brats fall flat on their A"se and Denman did a perfect job! Their are far more controversial threads than this one,dont involve yourself in those if it puts the wind up you! Keep posting.i like your originality!
I could not agree more TAPK but what I’m finding unpalatable is not the points of view but the venom this has generated.It seems well OTT in view of the lack of interest by owner,trainer or the powers that be. We certainly refer to AP in the Shakesperian quote ‘methinks he doth protest too much’.On the contrary he seems to be holding his own counsel on this and everyone else is getting up tight. I just don’t understand why Lydia Hislop has burned her bridges and gone in so lacking in tact and diplomacy. The only time I ever sat on a horse (an ex-racehorse called Sticky Business) he immediately dumped me in a muddy field) so I would be the last to criticise any jockey let alone AP ( i was 12 at the time ). It seems that we are not going to get beyond the 2 camps in these dugouts so perhaps we shall have to say vive le difference and leave it at that.
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Last Saturdays going report at Haydock read Good to soft(soft in places) The Gold Cup winner didnt get within 20 seconds of standard.
Racing accepts lies as standard, the owner, Trainer and jockey described the going as soft to heavy, accept that punters have been driven away and ask why they have been?
Whatever your answer may be you cannot say that the ruling powers or vested interests have sold the sport well over the years.
At he risk of repeating myself i would say that the perception of Racing by the outside public is that its run by insiders for insiders.
Deny all you want…………….
To be honest, who gives a crap whether AP has decided not to talk to RUK or whatever the situation is?
Since when did RUK do interviews with jockeys anyway? I thought they just filled the gaps between races by showing re-runs of the earlier action or failing that, re-runs of a meeting that happened 132 days ago.
If you want an interview with AP then tune in to ATR. In fact, if you want informative interviews with any trainer/jockey then tune in to ATR.
I know a lot of you would rather be chuffed to pay your £20 a month fee to get RUK and, a betting show 30 seconds before the first race at Ayr… but then again…..
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At he risk of repeating myself i would say that the perception of Racing by the outside public is that its run by insiders for insiders.
Deny all you want…………….
Why should one
wish
to deny it? Racing is not some kind of publicly accountable state-run social service. Why shouldn’t racing be run by the people whose livelihoods depend on it, in the way which best suits them rather than casual outsiders?
The "perception" of insiders running the show for insiders is accurate. The only thing that’s illogical about what you say, is the underlying feeling that this state of affairs is somehow regrettable. It is not.
And (three tail hairs of
Dandino
aside) I speak as one of the great unwashed who is happily outside the tent, and grateful for the show that’s put on for my entertainment.
The only thing that’s illogical about what you say, is the underlying feeling that this state of affairs is somehow regrettable. It is not.
I agree Pinza with the logic that ‘racing’ should be run by ‘racing’. Hard to argue with that.
I think the point people are making is that racing can seem such a closed shop that people find it difficult to identify with the sport.
I could not agree more TAPK but what I’m finding unpalatable is not the points of view but the venom this has generated.It seems well OTT in view of the lack of interest by owner,trainer or the powers that be. We certainly refer to AP in the Shakesperian quote ‘methinks he doth protest too much’.On the contrary he seems to be holding his own counsel on this and everyone else is getting up tight. I just don’t understand why Lydia Hislop has burned her bridges and gone in so lacking in tact and diplomacy. The only time I ever sat on a horse (an ex-racehorse called Sticky Business) he immediately dumped me in a muddy field) so I would be the last to criticise any jockey let alone AP ( i was 12 at the time ). It seems that we are not going to get beyond the 2 camps in these dugouts so perhaps we shall have to say vive le difference and leave it at that.
John,you of all people must have seen massive changes in racing since you first got hooked.[deleted – cormack15] thats the difference these days,Jockeys are being filmed from every angle,the authoritys have in their power every gadget from a Bond film to ensure racings straight,unfortunately the technology is there in place its the monkeys using it that still fall short! However Jockeys are quite simply getting frustrated at being constantly observed and having their rides criticised and AP is just the latest example.What they fail to realise is this "spying" tactic has become a necessity because the b*ggers are all capable of shall we say lack effort occassionaly! All Lydia is guilty of is making a comment based on her own observation of a particular ride by AP,it could have been any Jockey and had it been,nothing more would have been said but AP being above criticism wont accept that GMOOH"s ride compared to the effort normally associated with the gifted one was somewhat lacking on this occassion!
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On the contrary he seems to be holding his own counsel on this and everyone else is getting up tight.
But he has not. That is the point. A journalist comments on one of his many rides, and he takes umbrage.
The Daily Mail reports his fury and says he wants nothing more to do with RUK whilst Lydia is around. The RUK issue a statement that he declined an invitation to elaborate or respond. Fair enough, he need not respond but he should have ignored. He certainly did not hold his own counsel.Pinza
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The "perception" of insiders running the show for insiders is accurate. The only thing that’s illogical about what you say, is the underlying feeling that this state of affairs is somehow regrettable. It is not.
So the outsiders can leave them to it?
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Cormack15
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I think the point people are making is that racing can seem such a closed shop that people find it difficult to identify with the sport.
Exactly. Racing is a sport and the horses and jockeys are athletes who should be trying to win. If an horse has the best form, and you put your week’s wages on it, and the only reason it doesn’t win is because it wasn’t allowed to, they clean up and you have lost. I know some think, including insiders, that the losers are just mugs, it’s only a game, more fools them etc.
I’m certainly not suggesting this was the case with AP’s ride because I don’t know. What I do know is that insiders sometimes decide the horse is not going to win when quite capable of doing so. You need outsiders to help prevent this, along with the other corrupt practices.
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Indeed the Outsiders are leaving, just look at the viewing figures, the Levy, The lack of interest from the general public nowdays.
Just dont go crying when Racecourses start to close down and prize money gets worse then.
Indeed the Outsiders are leaving, just look at the viewing figures, the Levy, The lack of interest from the general public nowdays.
Just dont go crying when Racecourses start to close down and prize money gets worse then.
You are coming across as a bit of a black cloud on a summers day!
I am a regular racegoer to Nottingham and Doncaster and if anything the turnstiles have increased with customers to both,i can always tell how busy a meeting is as to where i have to park at both courses and both car parks have been full every time i go! As for TV viewing i would bet figures are good as per usual Royal Ascot, Cheltenham and all the big meetings have yet again been a success! The Good ship Racing is built to withstand a stormy sea or 2 and i cant see a missile like incident occuring! I like to remain positive about the future of our Sport of Kings and this weekends Hennessey is typical of what its all about! Newbury will be packed,mark my words!
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