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May be the BHA are
"promoting the game"
through
"withholding racing information"
Eddie? Or at least that might be their reasoning (whether right or wrong).
ie By not giving the animal rights brigade a list every day of jockeys banned (so many days) for so called "
abuse
of the
whip
".
May be they feel newcomers will be put off our sport by such a list in racing’s daily?
Do wish they’d use different language, in the vast majority of cases hardly "abuse" and hardly a "whip" any more.
I wonder if they will come back at a later date with some other description to the same offences. Any new description will be easier to get away with if not
immediately
replacing a more forceful vocabulary.
May be instead of "abuse of the whip" call it "over-use of the encourager".
Quite an imagination you have there Gingertipster or have you been drinking? But hey ho don’t let the facts get in the way of a little bit of fantasy.
If someone, eg the Animal Rights brigade required information about whip abuse etc surely they’d be disappointed if you pointed them in the direction of the Jockeys on the Sidelines column when it appeared in the Racing Post.
This merely confined itself to the length of time and dates when a jockey would be absent accompanied by a (s) for suspended or (i) for injured with no details at all of the offences committed or otherwise.
Meanwhile if the Animal Rights brigade etc needed detail about your whip abuse etc, doubt they’d be as naive as you appear to be and would just go on the BHA website where all whip offences are covered in great detail.
Don’t think people would pay £2.10/£2.40 a day to look at column that told you nothing about the offences when they can look online for free and get great detail of the offences.
Keep dreaming son.
Am sure the animal rights brigade don’t physically need to be pointed in the right direction Eddie.
It’s newcomers to our sport that might buy a Racing Post for their first foray in to horse racing… and see "abuse of the whip" against the name of umpteen jockeys "suspended"… and form totally the wrong idea of racing. ie Naive newcomers might conclude racing must be barbaric. Novice enthusiasts are unlikely to visit the BHA website anyway.
Once the public get in to the nuts and bolts of racing they can form a realistic opinion of what "abuse of the whip" actually means…
…Therefore, unless newcomers are subjected to direct animal rights propaganda very early – they do not become part of the animal rights brigade themselves. Which is what I meant by the above comment Eddie.
Value Is EverythingUnsure if related but at TRF we are on th.e BHA’s media list for emails relating to going updates. These have suddenly stopped. I’ll ask why.
The info from Cormack suggests that all of these problems relate to the recently implemented ‘new and improved’ version of the BHA website, which is a total shambles. All the page formats have been changed, none of the previous links still work and trying to find anything useful is a hit and miss exercise.
Combine that with the long term inadequacies of the IT people at the Post and it’s no great surprise that certain items have gone missing. The info is probably still available somewhere, but the BHA team have bigger problems to deal with and the Post team probably can’t be bothered to go searching, at least until the BHA site has settled down.
Reagrding claiming prices, I’ve checked and they are still available on the Racing Admin website (where entries and decs are made), so any trainer or owner with a logonid for that site can find them, and they are the only people that can make a claim anyway.
Am sure the animal rights brigade don’t physically need to be pointed in the right direction Eddie.
It’s newcomers to our sport that might buy a Racing Post for their first foray in to horse racing… and see "abuse of the whip" against the name of umpteen jockeys "suspended"… and form totally the wrong idea of racing. ie Naive newcomers might conclude racing must be barbaric. Novice enthusiasts are unlikely to visit the BHA website anyway.
Once the public get in to the nuts and bolts of racing they can form a realistic opinion of what "abuse of the whip" actually means…
…Therefore, unless newcomers are subjected to direct animal rights propaganda very early – they do not become part of the animal rights brigade themselves. Which is what I meant by the above comment Eddie.
Gingertipster,
I’m not bothered if you read my posts but at least read them if you are quoting me. If you had done, it would have saved you making the same false claim again.
"Abuse of the whip" never appeared next to jockeys names in the Jockeys on the Sidelines column so that kind of scuppers your far fetched theory.
apracing,
It’s not correct to say only owners & trainers with access to the Racing Admin website can make claims. Anyone with a BHA security code can make a claim, you need to apply to Weatherbys for one.
I’ve got one myself but have no access to the Racing Admin website.What’s wrong with a bit of openness and honesty, if the BHA don’t want to release certain information anymore why don’t they just say so, give their reasons and we can all move on instead of leaving people in the dark? These people should be promoting the game not doing the opposite.
Bittar gone. But was he any good for British racing?
You could hardly argue, I don’t think, that he’s left it in a worse state than when it was when he arrived, and he came across as pretty sure-footed and seems to have drawn praise from those he worked with and many in the media.
I did invite him (via his office) to participate in a forum Q&A on several occasions but was adroitly parried off on each occasion (bit busy now, try again later type of thing) so that is a negative for me. I think he thought the previous regime were a bit too public. I think he was of the ‘only speak when you need to speak’ school of thought.
I’m a partial thumbs up. Safe-ish pair of hands but hardly revolutionary.
Never gave any indication that he had much interest in the jumps. Could perhaps have got off the fence over the Hereford closure fiasco.
Not as bad as some of the previous heads of the Bha , clinical , very good for getting the levy agreed , but at what cost !!!
Love to say useless , but in truth he was ok , the Zarooni affair really laid out his stall , he did everything to protect Shiek Mo , was that a good thing .??..maybe it was , but the full truth will never be known , at least until he has gone , someone will leak it eventually
The whip resolution was a quick fix , but in truth it was not a fix at all , so that is still a thorny issue to be sorted
The bookies are in control now , he will go on to another job as predicted by me several times , so how do we judge him
5 out of 10 for me …just ok
imo
Not as bad as some of the previous heads of the Bha , clinical , very good for getting the levy agreed , but at what cost !!!
Love to say useless , but in truth he was ok , the Zarooni affair really laid out his stall , he did everything to protect Shiek Mo , was that a good thing .??..maybe it was , but the full truth will never be known , at least until he has gone , someone will leak it eventually
The whip resolution was a quick fix , but in truth it was not a fix at all , so that is still a thorny issue to be sorted
The bookies are in control now , he will go on to another job as predicted by me several times , so how do we judge him
5 out of 10 for me …just ok
imo
The Sungate affair was also neatly suppressed.
Alongside the bookies, the racecourses are also in control. Between them they control the bloated fixture list which the BHA seem powerless to resolve with ARC threatening to take legal action
PB wasn’t perfect, but he was far superior, imo, to his predecessors in the post – though that isn’t saying much.
I expect Nick Rust to make a real difference without upsetting all and sundry
Some strange/odd BHA/Stewards Decisions these last few days
Marie Des Anges jockey suspended for 8 days for continuing at Uttoxeter when in second place.
Nicky Mackay suspended for a day at Lingfield for easing up when he may have got 8th place on Steventon Star.
Aidan Coleman’s retrospective ban.
Havlin’s, Kelly’s and Kirby’s whip bans.
Aussie man with 20 years experience of trotting recruited to understudy Jamie Stier.
Is there any coincidence between the timing of these events and Paul Bittars departure?
Maybe a case of Stier stamping his authority?
In the Marie Des Anges, Mackay, Coleman (retrospectively) and Kelly cases, how often and when have similar "offences" occurred in the past?
Yet we suddenly have a rush of them.
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