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The SP of the horse shouldn’t matter either way – all horses should be treated equally. If you’re going to give a 4/6 favourite 10 minutes to load into the stalls then the same should apply to all horses whether 5/1 or 200/1.
As for todays case it was a farce – the jockey was kicking and hitting the horse and the assistant starter was stood behind it waving the whip. There’s no doubt in my mind that the horse definitely came under starters orders.
Would also add that if the 40/1 didn’t effect anything what would have happened had it been an 8 horse race and he’d declared a 50/1 shot a NR and it reduced the field to 7 and thus the place terms?
PART 3 – THE START – (B)31 to (B)44
35. Power of Starter to withdraw horses35.1 It is the responsibility of the Starter to take a final decision as to whether or not any horse should run.
Considering as I’ve mentioned the horse was at least 30yrds away from the rest of them and facing the wrong way – the starter in my view got it right.
If it had been declared a runner – that would have been a farce…the replay is there on ATR for all to see.
I mention that the horse was 40/1 and no harm was done in this case (backers got their money back & no Rule 4) as a fact concerning this race. Different race, different circumstances.
No one has a problem with those rules Pompete but surely they have to be administered before the tapes go up and he starts the race not during the race itself?
At what time during the race did he decide to withdraw the horse? What if the horse started after that?
As I say their speaker system would have made interesting listening, no wonder they don’t let the public hear what goes on.
The public weren’t even informed the horse had been withdrawn till well after the race, even ATR thought it was a runner.
As I say a farce allowed by the BHA.
If a horse is to be withdrawn, the jockey should be told to dismount and the horse led away, not the assistant starter allowed to whip furiously behind the horse to get him going during the race.Unbelievable, only 3 meetings but the BHA allow the 2.10 at Lingfield to clash with the first at Aintree.
Unbelievable, only 3 meetings but the BHA allow the 2.10 at Lingfield to clash with the first at Aintree.
No they didn’t in this case – Lingfield allowed the clash through poor timekeeping, despite the horses being at the start in plenty of time. Chepstow tried their damnedest to run a race at the same time as the National for similar reasons.
Only 2 races this time I know but has happened many times in the past, the Jockey Club Stakes was run at exactly the same time as the mile and a half maiden at Thirsk.
It was clear to someone of limited intelligence that 2.30 was the optimum off time for the Jockey Club at Newmarket. Obviously the BHA have not yet recruited a raceday race co-ordinator and looking at the job description when advertised last year that is unsurprising.
Amazingly RUK gave preference to the Thirsk race with commentary and the Newmarket race was in a little box with no commentary.I had to turn over to Channel 4 to watch the Jockey Club Stakes ‘live’……….
I wish RUK and ATR would just do away with the little boxes and record one of the races and show it straight after the other one has finished.
the only way round it is to show the races from the gaff meetings at the end of the day,big days like newmarket on saturday deserve the stage to themselves.
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If RUK don’t stick Market Rasen and Bangor behind a red button this summer, then I for one will seriously "consider my position". There’s no excuse for fouling up the premier meetings with summer jumping dreck.
I had to turn over to Channel 4 to watch the Jockey Club Stakes ‘live’……….
Same here. Its absolute madness that the Premier race isn’t given priority.
Can’t they just show the premier meeting properly and stick the rest of the stuff behind the red button or something?
There was hardly time to discuss any of the events at Newmarket as they happened including the very dramatic 1000 Guineas as they had to keep going over to other courses.
I prefur the big races / meetings to be given priority too. Though suppose those who do like the Gaffs will disagree.
Suspect RUK / ATR’s contracts to these courses stipulates they have to show the races live. Sean Boyce may be able to shed some light on that situation?
I say get rid of all other racing on days of the very best meetings until the evening.
Value Is EverythingI prefur the big races / meetings to be given priority too. Though suppose those who do like the Gaffs will disagree.
It’s not an issue of prioritising one meeting over the other, surely, but rather making sure clashes are avoided outright. That’s what anyone so empowered should be aiming to achieve.
Pinza will be relieved to note that Bangor finishes racing for six weeks after its June 8th meeting, whereafter Market Rasen and Cartmel become the only jumps meetings covered.
He may also be interested to learn that excluding Bank Holidays, the only other date between May 16th and September 24th inclusive on which RUK will show a jumps card at the same time of day as more than two Flat cards is Saturday, July 17th, the day the Lincolnshire venue holds its Listed, and distinctly non-dreckish, Summer Plate and Summer Hurdle races.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
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Pinza will be relieved to note that Bangor finishes racing for six weeks after its June 8th meeting, whereafter Market Rasen and Cartmel become the only jumps meetings covered.
Pinza is indeed relieved to find that Bangor stops for six weeks in June and early July; but it doesn’t stop that delightful NH summer venue mucking up RUK’s premiere York and Newbury coverage (for crucial trials) on May 14th; or Market Rasen diluting coverage of Newmarket’s always informative card on Saturday 15th.
Market Rasen will also get in the way of Newmarket coverage on July 17th. Bangor marks its happy return by interfering with Glorious Goodwood on July 30th; Market Rasen limits concentration on Chester’s good Sunday card on August 1st; we get loads of lovely Bangor on the Friday afternoon of the big York meeting later that month …. and so on, and so forth.
And that’s without tabulating the havoc caused to ATR’s Doncaster and Ascot coverage by the likes of Worcester, Stratford, Newton Abbott…
I’m not calling for the nuclear option, merely for sensible red buttons to put these summer jumps meets on the back burner, where they belong. Is that too much to ask?
There are two recurring – but always entertaining – threads here in the wacky world of TRF that are closely related but diametrically opposed
This, the problem of split screens and overlapping races
And the received wisdom that having two racing channels is bizarre and a waste of punters’ money
Racing is a very big cake and you can’t eat all of it
One channel with a multi-split screen resembling a chess board
Two channels with the occasional split that will never please everyone all of the time
Perhaps we need three channels
You stay-at-homers should consider yourself luckEH…
…I’ll be watching Turf TV in a local independent with
unofficial
offtube commentary. For those of you who would rather lick a stamp spread with rat poison than visit a turf accountant’s shop, a race commentator in a remote studio is watching official TV coverage from another broadcaster and feeding his interpretation back to the shops.
Its like being in a backshack bookies in Trinidad. The gap between the event and the comment is sometimes three or four seconds.
How did this occur in 2010?
Pinza is indeed relieved to find that Bangor stops for six weeks in June and early July; but it doesn’t stop that delightful NH summer venue mucking up RUK’s premiere York and Newbury coverage (for crucial trials) on May 14th; or Market Rasen diluting coverage of Newmarket’s always informative card on Saturday 15th.
Just to confirm – there isn’t actually any afternoon jumping on the 14th, but Aintree in the evening.
Bangor features on the 15th, granted, on the same afternoon as Newbury and Newmarket, but so does a Thirsk card which, if memory serves, is of little or no greater merit.
The Rasen card mentioned has been a Sunday one for ye long and is again this term.
Market Rasen will also get in the way of Newmarket coverage on July 17th.
I’m afraid I struggle to see how the summer’s richest afternoon of jumps racing, with the aforementioned Listed contests, can be deemed as getting in the way, even for those who deem quality of contest as the main determiner for any such third or fourth meeting being rightly programmed (I don’t).
Bangor marks its happy return by interfering with Glorious Goodwood on July 30th;
…in common with Thirsk…
Market Rasen limits concentration on Chester’s good Sunday card on August 1st;
…as, by that measure, does Newbury…
we get loads of lovely Bangor on the Friday afternoon of the big York meeting later that month ….
…as well as equal helpings of Sandown…
and so on, and so forth.
And that’s without tabulating the havoc caused to ATR’s Doncaster and Ascot coverage by the likes of Worcester, Stratford, Newton Abbott…
Other than Derby Day, there is only one other date when any Doncaster Flat fixture is competing for air-time on ATR with more than one other fixture (Flat or jumps or both). That is Saturday October 23rd.
May 8th and October 9th are the only dates in Ascot’s entire Flat calendar to which the same applies.
I’m not sure factoring in just one other meeting can credibly constitute "havoc", especially as many of the premiere meetings alluded to would surely have races timed on 35-minute headways rather than the minimum of 30, wouldn’t they?
I’m not calling for the nuclear option, merely for sensible red buttons to put these summer jumps meets on the back burner, where they belong. Is that too much to ask?
I think it is too much, yes, and arguments over whether one man’s "Where they belong" should be the same as another’s ultimately helps neither party.
A far more agreeable approach, not just for lovers of racing of all creeds but also surely from a betting turnover point of view, is to have generous enough timings of meetings at the busiest time of year to enable adequate devotion of time to all races without overlap – 40-minute headways during summer Saturdays, for example.
After all, it’s not as if the commodity that most prevents a similar strategy during the winter, that of daylight, is an issue in the same way come July.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
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Perhaps I should clarify my point. Whether summer jumps at Bangor, Market Rasen and their ilk should be banished from the schedules entirely is quite another argument, and one about which I hold no strong opinion.
The question is how RUK choose to cover it. For the channel not to take advantage of Red Button technology – which is available to everyone who subscribes to the channel – over the summer months at least, is a failure of courtesy as well as imagination.
The fundamental problem of the low-grade, gaff-track jumps fodder is that these races take
so long to run
, vampirically sucking time from each 30-35 minute slot, so that we end up with a ludicrous temporal imbalance
in their favour
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There is something wrong with the broadcaster’s priorities, when post-race expert analysis of (say) the Yorkshire Oaks is drastically curtailed because we have to rush across to Bangor for (say) an interminable 3 Mile Mares Novice Hurdle .
Flat races are very swift in comparison to 3 Mile novice hurdles, but we are robbed of fair paddock and analysis time by the low-grade jumps fare. A simple Red Button is all that’s needed.
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