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Given that Conduit has also won a Breeder’s Cup & the King George & Queen Elizabeth Stakes do posters think that he will be penalised at stud for his victory in the St Leger? Will he be marketed as a jumping sire?
I can’t see them marketing him as a jumps sire. For one thing, he’s a multi-Group One winner, and even at a discounted rate, he’s worth more as a flat sire. He may well end up as a dual-purpose sire (but then, so did Saddlers Wells, it’s not a bad thing) but I think they’ll price him for the flat.
Looking at the current top stallions, Gallileo and Montjeu were both 12f horses, and that is how Conduit will be sold. Yes, he won a ledger, but connections are clearly going after a 10f pot as well. His 3rd in the Eclipse was a good start, and he’s got entries for the Irish Champion and the Juddmonte. I think he’ll come back for his 5yo season if he doesn’t win either of those.
If he can get group wins over 10-14f I think he’ll be in the same sort of category as Hurricane Run, who is at €20,000 currently.
The Montjeu/Galileo experience is an interesting argument for Conduit. However, are UK/Irish commercial breeders going to look at a Mill Reef line sire as a potential source of money making yearlings? If I was Ballymacoll I would sell him to Germany*, where he’s likely be more appreciated, but keep a share in him.
* I’m assuming he didn’t race on drugs when he won in the US.
Breeders should grasp any opportunity to use none Northern Dancer male line stallions with open arms. The world is swamped with Northern Dancer & this is surely not healthy for the future of the breed.
I think 6 0r 7 years down the line Conduit’s progeny will be running over jumps.
On the same topic of Group 1 winners over 1m4f, Kris Kin is an interesting sire. We had a Kris Kin colt foal 2 years ago, and he was the nicest foal you ever saw. He was massive, had good conformation, perfect legs, and was a very classy mover. There never was a more perfect foal. His temperment left alot to be desired though.
I think he ran on drugs in the states
Not sure how he will be reived as a sire, he wasnt a stakes winner at two unlike his sire, that will be a negative too some.
A big plus, though, is his turn of foot.
Such a horse is a better bet as a stud proposition, generally, than a one-paced sprinter or miler, provided of course that breeders give him a chance.
He’ll certainly get his fair share of jumpers, but that’s only because a greater proportion of his stock are likely to get 1 1/2 miles, normally the minimum requirement in these end-to-end style of running days for a horse to genuinely get 2 miles over jumps.
He isnt the usal big scopey type that one assocates with National hunt stallions, he does handle all ground types which you need in an NH horse these days. Big slow mudlarks are fine and dandy but with summer jumpign and better drained courses you need a horse who can go on quicker conditions.
As for size, its a load of crap, look at Red Rum!
here i posted the breeders cup turf list : the L in front of the weight means that horse used lasix , conduit wasnt on drugs
Emirates Airlines Breeders’ Cup Turf (G1)
1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $3,000,000
Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A Motion H Graham 126 L 10-1
2 2 Red Rocks (IRE) Dettori L Hennig Mark 126 L 5-1
3 3 Grand Couturier (GB) Garcia Alan Ribaudo Robert J 126 L 6-1
4 4 Soldier of Fortune (IRE) Murtagh J P O’Brien Aidan P 126 7-2
5 5 Winchester Smullen P J Weld Dermot K 121 L 15-1
6 6 Dancing Forever Douglas R R McGaughey III C R 126 L 10-1
7 7 Red Rock Canyon (IRE) O’Donoghue Colm O’Brien Aidan P 126 30-1
8 8 Spring House Velazquez J R Canani Julio C 126 L 10-1
9 9 Conduit (IRE) Moore R L Stoute Sir Michael 121 6-1
10 10 Out of Control (BRZ) Gomez G K Frankel Robert 126 L 10-1
11 11 Eagle Mountain (GB) Shea K de Kock Michael F 126 6-1Cheers, I am very happy too stand corrected. He is the winner of the worlds oldest classic and was the only classic winner ( of at least four on show) too win. His race was truley run on bone hard ground, a world away from the yorkshire bog he last ran in. I can see NH breeders wanting that versitly in their stock.
The racing media in Japan reported (on 30 Oct) that Conduit, Dalakhani x Well Head (Sadler’s Wells), the winner of the King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes ’09, would stand at Big Red Farm in Japan next spring. Mr Okada presiding over the farm, aka the ‘Fuhrer’, said: ‘I have watched for a chance to have him at my farm since he won the BC turf last year, and now have high hopes for him.’
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