Classic Winners – Owners Colours

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Ivanjica,
The Timeform Annual for 1961 (I unfortunately don’t have the 1962 Annual) shows Display as owned by Lady Granard, and the photo of her (Display not Lady G) winning the National Stakes at Sandown clearly shows (as much as a b&w photo ever can) the black with red stars and red cap that you would expect for this owner.

[ivanjica]

Thanks ENE, one less to get. The Breedon Book Of Horse Racing threw in the "red herring" of "Mrs B…". I should have checked the 1962 Sporting Chronicle Form Book, where the owner is clearly stated as "Beatrice, Lady Granard". Thanks to all of you for putting me right on that one.

Not the first mistake in the Breedon’s Coronation Stakes list – the 1901 winner Bella Gallina is misspelt (they have the second name as Galliana). Made the Google detective work harder than necessary. Breedon have the owner simply as "R Walker". In the 1905 Ruffs Guide there are two gentlemen listed – one is Reid Walker the other Robert Walker.

Once I had noticed the spelling mistake and googled Reid Walker + Bella Gallina, bingo! His silks were "Sea Green" by the way.

[ivanjica]

Digging deeper with 1957 Toro, the Breedon Book has "W R Johnstone" as owner (which I presume is Rae Johnstone by the way) whereas the following site has the Aga Khan as the owner: http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsiege … z=EAsCorSt.

Ironically the following article by John Randall of all people backs up the Aga Khan being the owner:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Horse+Rac … 0166296499

I suspect this is another error on the part of the Breedon Book – thats three in one race. Worrying as how many errors are there in the other races??

[ivanjica]

Page 20 of today’s Racing Post invites readers to ask their team of "backroom girls and boys and hardened hacks" any question about racing.

Should be interesting to see if they can source our missing colours. Maybe we should draw up the list on here and one of us submit it.

I am happy to do the email to the RP. Will post my missing colours up here later.

[isinglass]

Ivanjica , re 1887 Florentine Lord Calthorpe……………

…. 1888 Oaks & Leger winner , Seabreeze was owned by 5th Baron Calthorpe and I got " Blue , Red slvs , Black cap " from a book about the history of York and Doncaster racecourses by Jack Fairfax-Blakeborough. Bet it’s the same one as opposed to Raciana’s Blue White cap from nearly 20 years earlier.

Will post the ones I need soon but as they’re for the Irish & French classics , not too hopeful and unfair to include them really. ( appreciate your offer to e-mail the RP – ta. )

However , some easy ones for you folks regarding Grand National runners. Just haven’t stumbled upon a racecard for sale for 83, 88 & 89 but some older ones to get your teeth into. Hope some of the old newspaper pullouts are handy. A couple are one the few I missed keeping myself and the other year was where I kept an early RP pullout and it’s rubbish – colours are either wrong or mis-printed.

1961 Kerforo FJ Stafford

1963 Moyrath Mrs RL Johnson
1963 College Don Mrs I Watts

1966 Mac`s Flare Capt J Wilson
1966 Flamecap C Ronaldson

1983 Delmoss RQ Sutherland
1983 Hot Tomato HA Insley
1983 Colonel Christy Mrs HR McLaughlin
1983 Keengaddy I Single
1983 Menford Shirlstar Container Tpt Ltd
1983 The Vintner DO Williams
1983 Arrigle Boy D Eddy
1983 Monty Python Rank Organisation Plc
1983 Williamson Hillfields Farming Co.
1983 That’s It LA White

1988 Northern Bay R Graham
1988 Polly’s Pal SG Payne
1988 Tullamarine P Burfield
1988 Friendly Henry RV Wright

1989 Queensway Boy Queensway Securities Ltd
1989 Polar Nomad James Stoddart Ltd
1989 Numerate Peter Davis
1989 Mearlin CP House

Thanks for any help as ever.
cheers
I.

[ile de bourbon]

Hi Isinglass

1989
Queensway Boy – white, royal blue star, royal blue and white check cap

Polar Nomad – Maroon, Dark Blue stripe and slvs, White cap

Numerate – Red, Black star and slvs, Black cap, Red star

Merlin – Pink, Purple diamond, slvs and diamond on cap

From Daily Mirror of that day

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1966
Macs Flare – Blue, Black cap, White spots
Flame cap – Yelloe, Pink slvs, Yellow cap , pink hoop

1961
Kerforo – Leinster Tartan, Lemon. Slvs and cap

Daily Express

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1983 Delmoss RQ Sutherland

Black, Red Sleeves, quartered cap

1983 Hot Tomato HA Insley

Yellow, Green star and sleeves, Yellow cap

1983 Colonel Christy Mrs HR McLaughlin

Lilac, Black epaulettes, and quartered cap

1983 Keengaddy I Single

Pink, Black Epaulettes, and Quartered Cap

1983 Menford Shirlstar Container Tpt Ltd

Green, White cuffs, collar,cap

1983 The Vintner DO Williams

White, blue disc, blue sleeves, white cap, blue spots

1983 Arrigle Boy D Eddy

Yellow, Silver or White diamond, quartered cap

1983 Monty Python Rank Organisation Plc

Blue, Yellow chevrons, White cap, Blue star

1983 Williamson Hillfields Farming Co.

Green, white seams, hooped cap

1983 That’s It LA White

Light Blue, Yellow stars

1988 Northern Bay R Graham

Dark blue, White epaulettes, White cap, Dark blue star

1988 Polly’s Pal SG Payne

Pink, Mauve crossbelts, and cap

1988 Tullamarine P Burfield

Green, Purple sleeves

1988 Friendly Henry RV Wright

Light Blue, Brown sash, White sleeves and cap

That’s off the top of my head, might be the odd wrong cap, and my interpretation of the colour might be a bit "off", but that’s about the "flavour" of them.

[ile de bourbon]

Agree with VtoC about 1988 except

Pollys Pal x belts are described as Maroon, and

Tullamarine jacket as Emerald green

1983
Delmoss – check cap

Col. Christy – black armlets as well

Keengaddy – pink cap

Aerogel boy – GREY diamond on body and cap

Monty Python – Blue sleeves, yellow cap, blue star

That’s it – GOLD stars on body, white star on blue cap

And very pedantic but

Memford is Emerald Green

Monty Python royal blue

Williamson DARK green

[isinglass]

Brilliant , many thanks for those.

"off the top of your head" – imagine if you put your mind to it – incredible.

"pedantic" – pedantic is good , we’re all keen to get these right.

will endeavour to solve the 2 from 1963 and will post my missing ones soon,

cheers All

I.

[ile de bourbon]

From the Daily Express 1963 Grand national:

MOYRATH (Mrs RL Johnson) – WHITE, RED sleeves, quartered cap

COLLEGE DON (mrs I Watts) – RED YELLOW hoops and spots on cap

The latter are the same colours as the trainer of College Don – Bill Watts (WC Watts) so I assume she was his wife.

[honeysdad]

Re-Numerate in 1989 i’m pretty sure the actual colours worn on the day were something like light blue and pink or purple chevrons

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I’m not proud Isinglass As for the caps, always get the odd one wrong, and fully expected to be pulled up for my "interpretation" of the colours.

ps didn’t even notice that with Numerate. The colours were Purple, Lilac chevron, White sleeves…….with Purple and Lilac being my impression only

[isinglass]

thanks All , that’s me sorted for all runners in the Grand National 1962 – todate .

Not sure why I started but it got addictive as I know you’ll appreciate !!

Anyway , will look for a new challenge soon but as mentioned earlier , here’s an update on a couple I’ve found and more worryingly , those I’m stuck with. Really need an Irish "anorak" to jump aboard – that’s assuming none of you folks are from across the water.

Irish Derby 1917 FIRST FLIER JJ Parkinson white red spots & cap

Irish Derby 1919 LOCH LOMOND Miss E Cowhy crimson chocolate cap

Still to get – but not confident of success. Have added a "clue" or two but hasn’t helped me.

French 1000
1910 VELLICA C Vagliano
1930 ROSE THE M. Azenar
1946 REAL owner ???
1953 HURNLI Countess De Nicoly
1964 RAJPUT PRINCESS Gonzalez Flipo

French 2000
1914 LISTMAN Léon Olry-Roederer
1925 FARAWAY Paul Moulines
1927 FITERARI Paul Moulines
1928 DARK LANTERN II Boyd Davis
1932 LE BECAU Mme A-P Parker
1936 DAVOUT Stephane Vagliano
1939 MAC KANN Robert Lazard ( won 1939 Queen Anne Stks )
1941 PANIPAT Comte T de Gramedo
1958 PRES DE FEU J Schneider

French Derby
1891 ERMAK R De Monbel
1923 LE CAPUCIN J Desgorces
1936 MIEUXCE E Mazurel
1940 QUICKO Pierre Versein
1953 CHAMANT Henri Letellier

French Oaks
1849 VERGOGNE M de Perceval
1899 GERMAINE W Carter
1914 ALERTE VI Léon Olry-Roederer
1923 QUOI? A Sabathier
1930 COMMANDERIE E Henriquet
1941 SAPOTILLE Robert Mathe-Dumaine
1942 VIGILANCE Ctess MA de P de la Rocca
1959 BARQUETTE R Thion de la Chaume
1963 LA BELLE FERRONNIERE Mme H Herbaux

French St Leger
1911 COMBOURG Frank Jay Gould
1927 FITERARI Paul Moulines
1932 LAEKEN Marquis de Llano
1978 BRAVE JOHNNY Mireille Darc

Irish 1000
1922 LADY VIOLETTE A Le Roch
1923 GLENSHESK Capt. Dixon
1924 VOLTOI JJ Macaulay
1925 FLYING DINAH Capt. GF Dunne
1927 WEST INDIES Lady Mahon
1929 SOLOPTIC CL MacKean
1930 STAR OF EGYPT GA Allen
1932 PETONI DJ Cogan
1935 SMOKELESS RJ Duggan
1940 GAINSWORTH EA Robinson
1943 SUNTOP GJ Ellis
1944 ANNETTA PE Burell
1949 SUNLIT RIDE Capt. GA Clark
1962 SHANDON BELLE S Abbott

Irish 2000
1921 SOLDENNIS CL MacKean
1925 ST DONAGH AB Coyle
1930 GLANNARG P Fitzgerald
1932 LINDLEY Capt. GF Dunne
1945 STALINO John J Blake
1949 SOLONAWAY Dick Duggan
1950 MIGHTY OCEAN Dick Duggan

Irish Derby
1893 BOWLINE MA Maher but carried Michael Dawson’s colours – MD owned 1907 Irish national winner Sweet Cecil

1898 NOBLE HOWARD Sebastian M Nolan
1899 OPPRESSOR TL Plunkett
1905 FLAX PARK PJ Dunne
1906 KILLEAGH Joseph Lowry
1909 BACHELOR’S DOUBLE Joseph Lowry
1910 AVIATOR James Lonsdale
1911 SHANBALLYMORE John Kelly
1916 FURORE H Ellis
1946 BRIGHT NEWS J McVey jr

Irish Oaks
1895 SAPLING C Hannan
1898 SABINE QUEEN FF MacCabe
1899 IRISH IVY Captain H Peel
1901 ROYAL MANTLE PJ Brophy
1902 MARIEVALE W Dunne
1904 COPESTONE FILLY James Lonsdale
1906 JULIET Mrs Sadleir-Jackson
1909 FREDITH Joseph Cooper
1911 TULLYNACREE J Hutton
1913 ATHGREANY P Murphy
1914 MAY EDGAR P Cullinan
1916 CAPTIVE PRINCESS W A Wallis
1922 MISS HAZELWOOD Capt. B Daly
1928 HAINTONETTE JA Hirst
1929 SOLOPTIC CL MacKean
1932 SANTARIA EJ Hope
1935 SMOKELESS RJ Duggan
1943 SUNTOP J McVey jr
1947 DESERT DRIVE GY Kinnaird

Irish St Leger
1916 CAPTIVE PRINCESS W A Wallis
1917 DOUBLE SCOTCH WA Murphy
1921 KIRCUBBIN Major Daniel Dixon – owned 1920 IGN winner Halston

1923 O’DEMPSEY H Baillie
1931 BEAUDELAIRE Count J McCormack
1938 OCHILTREE Lord Talbot de Malahide
1943 SOLFERINO J McVey jr
1944 WATER STREET MS Carroll
1951 DO WELL J Lunn
1953 SEA CHARGER Martin F Molony
1961 VIMADEE Mrs T McCairns
1967 DAN KANO S Raccah ( ran in 67 Irish Derby & 68 Coronation Cup )

cheers
I.

[honeysdad]

Interesting to note or not as the case may be that The Lady’s Masters colours in 83 were down as Green with a Black hoop ,in fact the Green was so dark on the day that Peter O’Sullivan got him mixed up with Hallo Dandy at one point ,also seem to remember him mentioning this as they were milling round ,milling round eh boys does that not get the butterflies going

[ile de bourbon]

Numerate is interesting… may have been bought by "Malcolm F Giles" just before the race and ran in his colours??

My missing ones are:

1983 Fillies Mile Nepula S. Al Qemias
1962 Gordon Gay Challenger Mrs M. V. Philipps
1957 Coronation Cup Fric M. Calmann
1955 Sussex Stakes My Kingdom J. Armstrong/W Nightingall
1952 Richmond Artane J. O’Connell
1946 Hunt Cup Friar’s Fancy Mr O. V. Watney
1925 Gold Cup Ballinode C.Bentley
1979 Supreme Nov Stranfield D Devlin
1967 Byrne Grp French March Mrs Tom Hanbury
1973 Supreme Nov King Pele J Richardson
1974 Neptune Inv Brown Lad J Osborne
1967 Ryanair Prince Blarney Mrs M Blair

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idb…..Numerate, ridden by Tarnya Davis, was bought by her dad Peter Davis, 48 hours before the race, from Oliver Sherwood, and he was down as both trainer and owner.

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