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I’ll throw a spanner into the works. I have a UK Telegraph race card for the 81 Arc which Gold River won and the colours for King’s Lake, owned by Mr J.P. Binet were DARK GREEN, BLACK SLEEVES. I
Correction to 1908 Kentucky Derby winner’s colours STONE STREET
BLUE, WHITE SASH, RED CAP
And here’s the proof.Hi All
Ivanjica , I concur with the colours in the 1979 Derby race card and the photo evidence of the finish confirms those colours – ( have also seen a painting of Troy at the start and in the background Dickens Hill is carrying those you describe ).
I got the hooped sleeves and cap version from the Daily Express and Sun ’79 Derby pullout – as they were wrong in both publications wonder how the error occurred ; maybe her “Irish” set ?
Anyway , also have a newspaper clipping of the ’78 Arc in which Jean Pierre owned Frere Basile – dark green black & green halved slvs green cap
So I reckon I need to change :-
1981 Irish 1000 Arctique Royale ( J-P Binet ) halved slvs version
1981 Irish 2000 Kings Lake ( Mrs J-P ) black hoop black slvs version
1979 Irish 2000 Dickens Hill ( Mrs J-P ) as aboveIf anyone has the video review of 1981 , that might be worth a viewing.
Cheers
I.
Hi All
Ivanjica , I concur with the colours in the 1979 Derby race card and the photo evidence of the finish confirms those colours – ( have also seen a painting of Troy at the start and in the background Dickens Hill is carrying those you describe ).
I got the hooped sleeves and cap version from the Daily Express and Sun ’79 Derby pullout – as they were wrong in both publications wonder how the error occurred ; maybe her “Irish” set ?
Anyway , also have a newspaper clipping of the ’78 Arc in which Jean Pierre owned Frere Basile – dark green black & green halved slvs green cap
So I reckon I need to change :-
1981 Irish 1000 Arctique Royale ( J-P Binet ) halved slvs version
1981 Irish 2000 Kings Lake ( Mrs J-P ) black hoop black slvs version
1979 Irish 2000 Dickens Hill ( Mrs J-P ) as aboveIf anyone has the video review of 1981 , that might be worth a viewing.
Cheers
I.
Thanks I.
I checked the France Galop site and Binets colours on that are as you originally described so maybe they are are his French silks and he had an Irish registered set (the black sleevs and black hoop version) for his horses with messrs O’Brien and O’Toole?
I have found some footage of the Sussex Stakes won by Kings Lake – starts at 0:15 secs – and to thicken the plot further it does seem there is no black hoop which concirs with Slew’s assertion. Although it is not close up enough to be completely definitive. Maybe Coolmore might have photos in their archive that could help. I may write to them.
CheersSpot on, France Galop has Jean-Pierre Binet as Dark Green, Black Hooped Sleeves, Hooped Cap and Mrs Binet as Dark Green, Black and Dark Green Halved Sleeves, Dark Green Cap. So the Binet’s had different silks registered in Ireland no doubt. The Black Hoop and black sleeves.
Hi All
Ivanjica , I concur with the colours in the 1979 Derby race card and the photo evidence of the finish confirms those colours – ( have also seen a painting of Troy at the start and in the background Dickens Hill is carrying those you describe ).
I got the hooped sleeves and cap version from the Daily Express and Sun ’79 Derby pullout – as they were wrong in both publications wonder how the error occurred ; maybe her “Irish” set ?
Anyway , also have a newspaper clipping of the ’78 Arc in which Jean Pierre owned Frere Basile – dark green black & green halved slvs green cap
So I reckon I need to change :-
1981 Irish 1000 Arctique Royale ( J-P Binet ) halved slvs version
1981 Irish 2000 Kings Lake ( Mrs J-P ) black hoop black slvs version
1979 Irish 2000 Dickens Hill ( Mrs J-P ) as aboveIf anyone has the video review of 1981 , that might be worth a viewing.
Cheers
I.
Thanks I.
I checked the France Galop site and Binets colours on that are as you originally described so maybe they are are his French silks and he had an Irish registered set (the black sleevs and black hoop version) for his horses with messrs O’Brien and O’Toole?
I have found some footage of the Sussex Stakes won by Kings Lake – starts at 0:15 secs – and to thicken the plot further it does seem there is no black hoop which concirs with Slew’s assertion. Although it is not close up enough to be completely definitive. Maybe Coolmore might have photos in their archive that could help. I may write to them.
CheersI have the Sussex Stakes 1981 racecard which confirms MR J P BINET – DARK GREEN, BLACK slvs, DARK GREEN cap (for Kings Lake)
Impressive winner of the Group 1 Prix Morny for two-year-olds at Deauville August 21.
DABIRSIM (Simon Springer): GREY, MAROON STARS and STAR on CAP.PRIX MORNY GROUP 1, 2YO
2011 DABIRSIM (Simon Springer)
GREY, MAROON STARS and STAR on CAP2010 DREAM AHEAD (Khalifa Dasmal)
PINK, EMERALD GREEN EPAULETS and ARMLETS, HOOPED CAP2009 ARCANO (Hamdan Al Maktoum)
ROYAL BLUE, WHITE EAPULETS, STRIPED CAP2008 BUSHRANGER (Smith, Magnier, Tabor)
PURPLE, WHITE SEAMS, STRIPED SLEEVES, PURPLE CAP2007 MYBOYCHARLIE (Mrs J. Magnier)
DARK BLUE, DARK BLUE CAP2006 DUTCH ART (Susan Roy)
MAUVE, MAUVE CAP2005 SILCA’S SISTER (Aldridge Racing Ltd)
ORANGE, BROWN SEAMS, BROWN SLEEVES, ORANGE SEAMS, ORANGE CAP, BROWN SPOTS2004 DIVINE PROPORTIONS (Niarchos Family)
DARK BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CROSS BELTS, STRIPED SLEEVES, WHITE CAP2003 WHIPPER (Elias Zaccour)
WHITE, GREEN DISC, STRIPED CAP2002 ELUSIVE CITY (Thoroughbred Corp.)
LIGHT GREEN and WHITE STRIPES, LIGHT GREEN CAP2001 JOHANNESBURG (Tabor, Magnier)
ROYAL BLUE, ORANGE DISC, STRIPED SLEEVES and CAP2000 BAD AS I WANNA BE (Joespeh Allbritton)
LIGHT GREEN and YELLOW CHECK, YELLOW CAP1999 FASLIYEV (Tabor, Magnier)
ROYAL BLUE, ORANGE DISC, STRIPED SLEEVES and CAP1998 ORPEN (Mrs J. Magnier)
DARK BLUE, DARK BLUE CAP1997 CHARGE D’AFFAIRES (Marquesa de Moratalla)
RED, LIGHT GREEN CAP1996 BAHAMIAN BOUNTY (Lucayan Stud)
BLACK, WHITE CHEVRON HOOP, WHITE CAP1995 TAGULA (R. and E. Hitchins)
LIGHT BLUE and ORANGE DIAMONDS, LIGHT BLUE SLEEVES and CAP with ORANGE DIAMOND1994 HOH MAGIC (David Allport)
RED, BLACK CHEVRONS, WHITE SLEEVES, BLACK ARMLETS, WHITE CAP1993 COUP DE GENIE (Stavros Niarchos)
DARK BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CROSS BELTS, STRIPED SLEEVES, WHITE CAP1992 ZAFONIC (Khalid Abdulla)
GREEN, PINK EPAULETS, WHITE SLEEVES, PINK CAP1991 ARAZI (Allen E. Paulson)
WHITE, RED EPAULETS, ROYAL BLUE SLEEVES, WHITE STARS, RED AND BLUE QUARTERED CAP1990 HECTOR PROTECTOR (Stavros Niarchos)
DARK BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CROSS BELTS, STRIPED SLEEVES, WHITE CAP1989 MACHIAVELLIAN (Stavros Niarchos)
DARK BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CROSS BELTS, STRIPED SLEEVES, WHITE CAP1988 TERSA (Allen E. Paulson)
WHITE, RED EPAULETS, ROYAL BLUE SLEEVES, WHITE STARS, RED AND BLUE QUARTERED CAP1987 FIRST WALTZ (Sir Robin McAlpine)
TARTAN, GOLD ARMLETS and CAP1986 SAKURA REIKO (Enshuko Zen)
PINK, WHITE HOOP, PINK CAP1985 REGAL STATE (Robin Scully)
GREY, LEMON SLEEVES, ORANGE CAP1984 SEVEN SPRINGS (Robin Scully)
GREY, LEMON SLEEVES, ORANGE CAP1983 SIBERIAN EXPRESS (Mahmoud Fustok)
GREEN, RED ARMLETS and CAP1982 DEEP ROOTS (Corine Barande-Barbe)
DARK BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CHEVRONS on SLEEVES, LIGHT BLUE CAP1981 GREEN FOREST (Mahmoud Fustok)
GREEN, RED ARMLETS and CAP1980 ANCIENT REGIME (Robin Scully)
GREY, LEMON SLEEVES, ORANGE CAP1979 PRINCESS LIDA (Jacques Werthemier)
ROYAL BLUE, WHITE SEAMS, WHITE SLEEVES and CAP1978 IRISH RIVER (Mrs Raymond Ades)
ROYAL BLUE, MAROON CAP1977 SUPER CONCORDE (Mrs Walter Haefner)
WHITE, ROYAL BLUE STRIPES, WHITE SLEEVES, ROYAL BLUE ARMLETS and CAP1976 BLUSHING GROOM (H.H. Aga Khan)
GREEN, RED EPAULETS, GREEN CAP1975 VITIGES (Mrs Marc Laloum)
RED, YELLOW STRIPES, RED SLEEVES, YELLOW CAP1974 BROADWAY DANCER (Daniel Wildesntein)
ROYAL BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CAP1973 NONOALCO (Maria Felix Berger)
PINK, GREY EPAULETS, GREY CAP1972 FILIBERTO (Countess Batthyany)
ROYAL BLUE, ORANGE SLEEVES, BLACK CAP1971 DARING DISPLAY (Lady Granard)
BLACK, GARNET CAP1970 MY SWALLOW (David Robinson)
GREEN, RED SLEEVES, LIGHT BLUE CAP1969 AMBER RAMA (Arpad Plesch)
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BLACK, YELLOW HOOPS, BLACK SLEEVES, YELLOW CAPHi All
been trawling the internet again (found a downloadable book about French racing history – O-level French came in handy !) and also got a great book about the Irish Derby 1866 to 1979 on e-bay for less than a fiver and have gleaned the following :- usual caveats ; any errors I apologise for and please tell me if you disagree with anything.
French 1000
1893 TILLY Henri Say red blue slvs & cap
1894 CALCEOLAIRE Adolphe Abeille black & orange halved black cap
1898 POLYMNIE J Arnaud white yellow cap
1899 SESARA Albert Menier yellow & green hoops green slvs & cap
1901 LA CAMARGO Adolphe Abeille black & orange halved black cap
1911 BOLIDE Col. Millard Hunsicker turquoise & white hoops yellow collar & cuffs black capFrench 2000
1846 PHILIP SHAH Celestin de Pontalba green black cap
1847 TRONQUETTE Celestin de Pontalba green black cap
1867 NICOLET H Delamarre brown red slvs black cap
1895 LAUNAY Henri Say red blue slvs & cap
1897 INDIAN CHIEF Henri Say red blue slvs & cap
1954 COTE D’OR II J Lignel blue & yellow stripes black capFrench Derby
1843 RENONCE Celestin de Pontalba green black cap
1888 STUART Pierre Donon pink black cap
1896 CHAMPAUBERT Adolphe Abeille black & orange halved black cap
1900 LA MORINIERE Baron Roger red yellow cap
1908 QUINTETTE Count E Deschamps black orange cap & hoops on slvs
1910 OR DU RHIN M Gaston-Dreyfus navy blue mauve capFrench Oaks
1890 WANDORA Pierre Donon pink black cap
1892 ANNITA Henri Say red blue slvs & cap
1898 CAMBRIDGE Albert Menier yellow & green hoops green slvs & cap
1901 LA CAMARGO Adolphe Abeille black & orange halved black cap
1905 CLYDE Edmond Veil-Picard brown & yellow hoops yellow capFrench St Leger
1891 BERENGER Henri Say red blue slvs & cap
1895 BOMBON Albert Menier yellow & green hoops green slvs & cap
1896 CHAMPAUBERT Adolphe Abeille black & orange halved black cap
1905 CLYDE Edmond Veil-Picard brown & yellow hoops yellow cap
1907 ANEMONE II Edmond Veil-Picard brown & yellow hoops yellow cap
1912 GORGORITO Marquis J San-Miguel green brown hoop on body & slvsIrish 1000
1928 MOUCHERON Capt. RB Brassey black & white hoops violet slvs & cap
1937 SOL SPERANZA D Sullivan saxe blue white sash qtd cap
1939 SERPENT STAR Sir Harold Gray scarlet white sash
1941 MILADY ROSE Fred S Myerscough rose & white qtd
1946 ELLA RETFORD J McLean McLean tartan emerald green slvs & cap
1947 SEA SYMPHONY Lt-Col. Giles Loder yellow blue slvs black capIrish 2000
1929 SALISBURY Mrs CL Mackean red white cap
1931 DOUBLE ARCH JT Rogers scarlet violet cap
1933 CANTEENER D Shaw Kennedy blue grey cap
1936 HOCUS POCUS Sir Harold Gray scarlet white sash
1939 CORNFIELD W Barnett cherry black sash yellow & white qtd cap
1940 TEASEL Col. AJ Blake white red X belts slvs & capIrish Derby
1872 TRICKSTRESS AR Bourne blue red slvs & cap
1874 BEN BATTLE JW Denison (AKA John D Wardell) olive green black cap
1875 INNISHOWEN J Cockin white black cap
1876 UMPIRE C Ryan magenta green hoops
1878 MADAME DUBARRY JW Denison (AKA John D Wardell) olive green black cap
1879 SOULOUQUE William Dunne pink black cap
1880 KING OF THE BEES William Brophy white rose cap
1881 MASTER NED James A Cassidy straw & blue ??
1882 SORTIE James A Cassidy straw & blue
1883 SYLPH Charles J Blake french grey scarlet hoops & cap
1884 THEOLOGIAN Garrett Moore white blue slvs black cap
1885 ST KEVIN Charles J Blake french grey scarlet hoops & cap
1886 THEODEMIR Garrett Moore white blue slvs black cap
1888 THEODOLITE Capt L Heywood Jones white cherry slvs
1889 TRAGEDY Capt. Sir Henry Greer white tartan slvs cherry cap
1890 KENTISH FIRE Matthias A Maher purple white slvs
1891 NARRAGHMORE John D Wardell olive green black cap
1895 PORTMARNOCK Capt. J O Machell white blue cap
1896 GULSALBERK Charles J Blake french grey scarlet hoops & cap
1897 WALES William P Cullen black pink hoop & cap
1901 CARRIGAVALLA A Summers (AKA WilliamJ Goulding) pink cambridge blue cap
1902 ST BRENDAN James Daly brown red cap
1903 LORD ROSSMORE Alan P Cunliffe white black seams armlets and cap
1904 ROYAL ARCH James Daly brown red cap
1912 CIVILITY John Reese royal blue white slvs & cap
1914 LAND OF SONG E Temple Patterson black white chevrons scarlet slvs & cap
1938 ROSEWELL D Sullivan saxe blue white sash qtd cap
1951 FRAISE DU BOISE HH Begum Aga Khan green chocolate collar & cuffs lavender cap
1953 CHAMIER Mrs FL Vickerman gold cyclamen slvs gold cap black hoopIrish Oaks
1896 KOSMOS William J Goulding pink cambridge blue cap
1897 DABCHICK Capt F Fetherstonhaugh flame black cap
1900 MAY RACE Major Eustace Loder yellow blue slvs black cap
1903 MARY LESTER Charles J Blake french grey scarlet hoops & cap
1907 REINA Sir Ernest C Cochrane white green slvs collar & cap
1910 BLAIR ROYAL E Tanner blue & red hoops gold cap
1912 SHINING WAY JC Galstaun dark blue gold x belts & cap
1915 LATHARNA Sir Thomas Dixon peach cherry slvs primrose cap
1918 JUDEA Capt. Charles Moore azure blue gold hoops on body red cap
1920 PLACE ROYALE Capt. Charles Moore azure blue gold hoops on body red cap
1921 THE KIWI William J Goulding pink cambridge blue cap
1923 BECKA WMG Singer myrtle green white striped slvs white cap
1925 IXIA WMG Singer myrtle green white striped slvs white cap
1933 SALAR RC Dawson yellow white cap
1936 SILVERSOL M Peacock peacock blue black slvs white cap
1937 SOL SPERANZA D Sullivan saxe blue white sash qtd cap
1941 UVIRA Sir Thomas Dixon peach cherry slvs primrose cap
1952 FIVE SPOTS AL Hawkins red green hooped slvs & capIrish St Leger
1915 LA PALOMA D Sullivan saxe blue white sash qtd cap
1926 SUNNY VIEW Sir Abe Bailey black and gold hoops gold cap
1927 BALLYVOY H Pulitzer dark blue red x belts hooped cap
1928 LAW SUIT Sir Abe Bailey black and gold hoops gold cap
1930 SOL DE TERRE Mrs CL Mackean red white cap
1932 HILL SONG Major EC Shirley yellow blue cap
1939 SKOITER Jimmy Rank royal blue & primrose qtd primrose slvs royal blue cap
1940 HARVEST FEAST W Barnett cherry black sash yellow & white qtd cap
1941 ETOILE DE LYONS HM Hartigan navy blue silver grey slvs blue cap gold tassel
1956 MAGNETIC NORTH WA Phillips sapphire blue scarlet collar & buttons striped slvs hooped capAscot Gold Cup
1943 UJIJI Major AE Allnatt white red epaulettes halved capCheers
I.A few interesting sets of colours from the USA from the early 1930’s I stumbled across.
HELEN W. KELLOGG (daughter-in-law of W. K. Kellogg, the breakfast cereal magnate): Red, White ‘HK’ front and back, Red and White Stripes on Blue Sleeves, White Cap.
WILLIAM E. BOEING (owner of Boeing Airplane Company): White, Red Ball front and back, Red Cap.
WALTER P. CHRYSLER (founder of the Chrysler automobile corporation): White, Red Sleeves, White Hoops, Red and White Cap.
ALREADY ON RECORD
ETHEL V. MARS (wife of chocolate magnate and founder of the Mars Bar who raced under the banner of Milky Way Farms): Orange, White Star front and back, White Sleeves, Chocolate and White Cap.Calling all aficionados of owners’ colours, past and present.
I have posted racecards for tomorrow’s Channel 4 Races at http://www.eneconsulting.be/racecards
with brilliant, fully resizable coloured images. The best on the web!
Perfect for displaying full screen on your laptop/iPad while you watch the race unfold on TV.
You’ll know before the commentator who it is tucked in behind going better than everything else!
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just seen 1926 Grand National racecard for sale on ebay ( 99p – that won’t last ! )
Aug 2010 posted KOKO 1926 Gold Cup winner as orange white sash, armlets & qtd cap as per an Ogdens cigarette card
by peering closely at the ebay entry should have been …..
vermillion steel ( !!! ) sash armlets & qtd cap
cheers
I.Terrific thread this, I wonder I anyone can identify some racing silks for me. The owner raced in the mid 19th century and his silks were light blue (Turquoise?) with yellow (or gold) sleeves and cap. Can’t be more specific sorry but any help much appreciated.
New to this site, but this thread covers a topic I have been so enthralled with for a large portion of my 60 years, from when as a schoolboy in Liverpool in the early 1960s I used to avidly get the Grand National edition of the Liverpool Echo that produced all the colours on the front page.
I’ve looked, but can’t find in this thread,a list of known Grand National winning colours. Does anyone have this, or has it been already included?
latics, any colours you need to know of any of the runners from 1980 onwards let me know, plus a good few from 70’s too. I’m only really interested in the races from the colour tv era.
As for the winners from 60’s to earlier, I’m sure the guys on the thread have covered this to some extent already, and they’ll point you in the right direction.
Latics fan – I was asking about this upthread as there were a few from the b/w era I did not know. If you PM me, I have a word doc with the written versions of the colours which i can send.
VTC – hope you are well. Have a look at the pic on the link below. It’s the jocks coming out for the 1983 race. Do you know who the lead jock in orange is. Can’t place it. I know Yer Man was in orange, but I don’t think it’s him.
, hope you are well! It’s Gerry McGlinchey who rode the ill fated Duncreggan!
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