Classic Winners – Owners Colours

[isinglass]

One thing does lead to another . I reckon the Baroda business follows this path ……possibly !

St Leger winner Sayajirao in 1947 was owned by Maharaja of Baroda and he raced in light terra cotta & crimson. His wife ( Maharanee ) raced in powder blue & maroon and owned the ’52 Gold Cup winner Aquino. Can confirm her colours from the ’53 Derby racecard.

Wikipedia ( love it or loathe it ) says Maharaja died in 1968 and in the Benson & Hedges book of ’73 the Maharanee now is registered with the terra cotta & crimson so she must have swapped to his.

Maybe …. ??

Maharaja’s father was called Sayajirao – didn’t know that did you ?

Following are some earlier Gold Cup winners I’m struggling with.

1908 The White Knight Col TYL Kirkwood

1904 Throwaway F Alexander

1903 Maximum II M. J de Bremond

1896 Love Wisely Mr H Bass

1819 Anticipation Mr Lechmere

Anyone interested in the earlier ones I have identified ( or so I think anyway ) ?

Cheers all
I.

[slewman]

Didnt the Maharaja of Baroda also own My Babu? Saw a picture of his silks and there were 3 chevron hoops on the body and three chevrons on sleeves and a chevron on the cap.
Going out on a limb with Constant silks. I’ll take a punt and say WHITE, BLACK HOOP and ARMLETS, WHITE CAP. Makes sense considering the film evidence and the race book which describes his silks as white, black hoop, white cap. SOLVED!

[ivanjica]

Hi Slew, yes My Babu did indeed run in the same Terra Cotta and Crimson colours.

I noticed as the horses enter the straight in the 1951 Ascot GC, there is a horse in light dark hoop/armlets and dark cap? Is it possible two horses ran that year carrying the Constant silks, and the one fading out of contention carries the first clours (with the red cap)?

I guess a racecard is what we really need now. Really annoyingly I only have the 1950 one (screen dump from EBay!).

[ivanjica]

1908 The White Knight Col TYL Kirkwood

1904 Throwaway F Alexander

1903 Maximum II M. J de Bremond

1896 Love Wisely Mr H Bass

1819 Anticipation Mr Lechmere

1908 The White Knight Col TYL Kirkwood

1904 Throwaway F Alexander

1903 Maximum II M. J de Bremond

1896 Love Wisely Mr H Bass

1819 Anticipation Mr Lechmere

1903 Maximum II M. J de Bremond
"Cerise, m. cerclées blanc & cerise, t. blanche" which I think is Cerise, white hooped slvs, whote cap – source France Galop.

Not sur about the others – what sources do you already have (to try and avoid duplication? Raciana, Ruffs 1921 I guess? 1948 and 1964 Ruffs? And racecards presumably?

Anyway 1 down 4 to go.

Anyone interested in the earlier ones I have identified ( or so I think anyway ) ?

YES PLEASE!!!!!!

[ivanjica]

1896 Love Wisely Mr H Bass

Bit more digging has unearthered the fact that according to the Breedon Book of Records "W" Bass was the registered owner, and his colours were Yellow Green Sleeves and Cap (bought Sceptre off Bob Siever and full name is Sir William Arthur Hamar Bass so I guess your "H" Bass comes from the "Hamar" part of the name?

Also, jammily just stumbled on:
1904 Throwaway F ALEXANDER

Dark Blue, White Sleevs

Source: 1896 Grand National Card, "Retiarius" Horse No.13 in Sefton Park Plate.

Trust that levae sus with two to get now?

[slewman]

I noticed as the horses enter the straight in the 1951 Ascot GC, there is a horse in light dark hoop/armlets and dark cap? Is it possible two horses ran that year carrying the Constant silks, and the one fading out of contention carries the first clours (with the red cap)?

That horse you mentioned was Comte Edouard Decazes LACADUV which carried the colours of WHITE, RED HOOP on body and sleeves, BLACK cap.
Cheers

[matrightyeh]

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[isinglass]

HI folks , thanks so much for the quick assistance – greatly appreciated. What follows is the info for the earlier Ascot Gold Cups that I’ve managed to bring together. Please feel free to point out anything "odd" and if you have better info please tell me. Again , apologies if it’s hard to follow – looks ok before I cut & paste.

[isinglass]

Forgot to cut & paste – idiot at work , sorry !!

1919 By Jingo WT de Pledge white black x belts & cap

1918 Gainsborough Lady James Douglas pink & white stripes black cap

1917 Gay Crusader Alfred Cox white orange braid slvs & cap

1916 Not Run
1915 Not Run

1914 Aleppo Alfred Cox white orange braid slvs & cap

1913 Prince Palatine Thomas Pilkington french grey vermillion hoops & cap

1912 Prince Palatine Thomas Pilkington french grey vermillion hoops & cap

1911 Willonyx CE Howard blue white cap

1910 Bayardo Alfred Cox white orange braid slvs & cap

1909 Bomba James A. de Rothschild dark blue & yellow chevron hoops yellow cap

1908 The White Knight Col TYL Kirkwood HELP PLEASE
1907 The White Knight Col TYL Kirkwood HELP PLEASE

1906 Bachelor’s Button SB Joel pink & green stripes pink cap

1905 Zinfandel Lord Howard de Walden apricot

1904 Throwaway F Alexander dark blue white slvs

1903 Maximum II M. J de Bremond cerise white hooped slvs white cap

1902 William The Third 6th Duke Of Portland white black slvs & cap

1901 Santoi Mr George Edwardes pale blue & white chevron hoops pale blue cap

1900 Merman Lily Langtry – Mr Jersey turquoise & fawn hoops turquoise cap

1899 Cyllene Sir Charles Day Rose blue black slvs red cap

1898 Elf II J de Bremond cerise white hooped slvs white cap

1897 Persimmon HRH Prince of Wales you know these ones !

1896 Love Wisely Mr H Bass yellow green slvs & cap

1895 Isinglass Harry McCalmont let’s do the quartered debate another day folks

1894 La Fleche Baron Maurice de Hirsch citron turquoise collar & cap

1893 Marcion Mr RC Vyner violet white sash

1892 Buccaneer 5th Earl of Portsmouth white black sash

1891 Morion Duke Of Devonshire straw

1890 Gold Prince Soltykoff pink black cap

1889 Trayles Mr W De La Rue orange red collar , cuffs & cap

1888 Timothy Mr H McCalmont red & pale blue quarters white cap

1887 Bird Of Freedom Mr D Baird crimson silver braid

1886 Althorp Baron Maurice de Hirsch citron turquoise collar & cap

1885 St Gatien Jack Hammond white red collar , cuffs & cap

1884 St Simon 6th Duke Of Portland white black slvs & cap

1883 Tristan Claude-Joachim Lefèvre red , white & blue horizontal thirds blue cap

1882 Foxhall James R. Keene white blue spots

1881 Robert The Devil Charles Brewer white pale blue sash and cap

1880 Isonomy Frederick Gretton orange purple sash & cap

1879 Isonomy Frederick Gretton orange purple sash & cap
1878 Verneuil Frédéric de Lagrange blue red slvs & cap

1877 Petrarch Viscount Dupplin white red slvs

1876 Apology Reverend John King blue red slvs & cap

1875 Doncaster James Merry yellow black cap

1874 Boiard M Delamarre brown red slvs black cap

1873 Cremorne Henry Savile yellow red cap gold tassel

1872 Henry Claude-Joachim Lefèvre red , white & blue horizontal thirds blue cap

1871 Mortemer Claude-Joachim Lefèvre red , white & blue horizontal thirds blue cap

1870 Sabinus Mr JG Hessey black cerise stars & cap

1869 Brigantine Sir Frederick Johnstone brown yellow slvs

1868 Blue Gown Sir Joseph Hawley coral black cap

1867 Lecturer 4th Marquess of Hastings scarlet white hoop & cap

1866 Gladiateur Frédéric de Lagrange blue red slvs & cap

1865 Ely William S Cartwright red black cap

1864 The Scottish Chief James Merry yellow black cap

1863 Buckstone James Merry yellow black cap

1862 Asteroid Sir Joseph Hawley coral black cap

1861 Thormanby James Merry yellow black cap

1860 Rupee Lord Stamford light blue black & gold sash black cap

1859 Fisherman Tom Parr puce white slvs & cap

1858 Fisherman Tom Parr puce white slvs & cap

1857 Skirmisher Earl of Zetland white red spots & cap

1856 Winkfield Mr S Walker blue red slvs & cap

1855 Fandango Earl of Zetland white red spots & cap

1854 West Australian John Bowes black gold braid black cap

1853 Teddington Sir Joseph Hawley coral black cap

1852 Joe Miller E Farrance white orange cap

1851 Woolwich Mr Campbell white black cap

1850 The Flying Dutchman 13th Earl of Eglinton tartan yellow slvs & cap

1849 Van Tromp 13th Earl of Eglinton tartan yellow slvs & cap

1848 The Hero Mr J Powney white red cap

1847 The Hero Mr John Day black orange cap

1846 Alarm Mr CC Greville purple black cap

1845 The Emperor 4th Earl of Albemarle green white cap

1844 The Emperor 4th Earl of Albemarle green white cap

1843 Ralph 4th Earl of Albemarle green white cap

1842 Beeswing William Orde Jr white purple slvs & cap

1841 Lanercost WR Ramsay yellow green slvs black cap

1840 St Francis Mr R Pettit black & white stripes light blue cap

1839 Caravan Mr Isaac Day white green cap

1838 Grey Momus Lord George Bentinck black red slvs ( Bentinck’s tricky though )

1837 Touchstone Marquess of Westminster yellow black cap

1836 Touchstone Marquess of Westminster yellow black cap

1835 Glencoe 5th Earl of Jersey dark blue & buff stripes black cap

1834 Glaucus 6th Earl of Chesterfield red dark blue slvs

1833 Galata 2nd Marquess of Exeter light blue & white stripes black cap

1832 Camarine Sir Mark Wood white

1831 Cetus Sir Mark Wood white ( changed to ALL white 1831 )

1830 Lucetta Sir Mark Wood white green slvs

1829 Zinganee 6th Earl of Chesterfield red dark blue slvs

1828 Bobadilla Lord Sefton white yellow slvs & cap

1827 Memnon Lord Darlington pink & black stripes black cap

1826 Chateau Margaux 3rd Earl of Egremont red blue slvs white cap

1825 Bizarre Lord GH Cavendish orange

1824 Bizarre Lord GH Cavendish orange

1823 Marcellus Lord Darlington pink & black stripes black cap

1822 Sir Hildebrand Mr J Ramsbottom purple orange slvs & cap

1821 Banker Duke of York purple black cap

1820 Champignon Mr H Fraser yellow & black stripes black cap

1819 Anticipation Mr Lechmere HELP PLEASE

1818 Belville Lord Darlington pink & black stripes black cap

1817 Sir Richard Mr D Blake white black slvs

1816 Anticipation Thomas Thornhill white red slvs

1815 Aladdin Duke of York purple purple & white striped cap

1814 Pranks Mr S Batson crimson & white stripes

1813 Lutzen Mr JB Trevanion white yellow slvs

1812 Flash Lord Lowther yellow & white stripes ( changed since 1810 )

1811 Jannette Mr Fulwar Craven purple orange cap

1810 Loiterer Lord Lowther purple yellow slvs

1809 Anderida General Gower pink black cap

1808 Brighton Mr W Fermor yellow black slvs & cap

1807 Master Jackey Mr Durand pink & white stripes Hope all that posted
I.

[ivanjica]

Thats brilliant isinglass. really appreciated.

I note you too have a braid on Alfred Cox – I thin the racecards dont have a braid but the pictorial evidence does.

thx

[slewman]

That’s a Group 1 performance Isinglass, well done, super effort,
Where did you see a pic of Alfred Cox aka ‘Mr Fairie’? All the jpeg racecards i have have his colours as White, orange sleeves and cap.

[isinglass]

Slewman , try the following "google image" searches – worldwide , not UK.

1917 gay crusader derby OR

1910 lemberg derby OR

1909 bayardo leger

either photo or cig. card evidence should appear as an early option

cheers
I.

[ivanjica]

I am farily sure I have also seen pictorial evidence knocking around depicting the Duke Of Westminster’s Yellow jacket also carrying a braid.

[slewman]

Hi Isinglass and Invanjica.
The photo evidence clearly shows Bayardo, owned by Alfred Cox aka Mr Fairie carried a braid on the jacket. Despite all the official jpeg racecards I have of Cox’s runners his silks are described as white, orange sleeves and cap. Also Lord Woolavington’s colours seemed inaccurate as well, stating white, one black hoop, red cap gold tassel, when in the b/w photos showing one black armlet on the sleeves also. With the Duke of Westminster’s colours (Yellow, Black Cap), the possibility of a braid could be true. I know when he passed on his wife the Duchess of Westminster raced her horses in Yellow, narrow black belt and cap with gold tassel, as I have film evidence to show Arkle and her 1980’s Grand National winner Last Suspect raced in those colours.

[ivanjica]

Hi Isinglass and Invanjica.
The photo evidence clearly shows Bayardo, owned by Alfred Cox aka Mr Fairie carried a braid on the jacket. Despite all the official jpeg racecards I have of Cox’s runners his silks are described as white, orange sleeves and cap. Also Lord Woolavington’s colours seemed inaccurate as well, stating white, one black hoop, red cap gold tassel, when in the b/w photos showing one black armlet on the sleeves also. With the Duke of Westminster’s colours (Yellow, Black Cap), the possibility of a braid could be true. I know when he passed on his wife the Duchess of Westminster raced her horses in Yellow, narrow black belt and cap with gold tassel, as I have film evidence to show Arkle and her 1980’s Grand National winner Last Suspect raced in those colours.

Yes indeed Slewman, the narrow black hoop being a sign of mourning of her deeceased husband which somehow adds more poignancy to the Arkle story.

I think in some of the Woolavington/Macdonald-Buchanan depictions/descriptions the tassel is missing, however I think it is safe to assume the tassel was an integral part of those silks.

The following link to a painting of 1883 Derby hero Shotover seems to show a braid on the Duke Of Westminsters silks.

http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/W/W … -1883.html

[isinglass]

Hi Folks , the Westminster braid can be taken as read , should have been included in my previous posting – got lazy.

It’s everywhere you look , from Emil Adam’s paintings of Ormonde and Fred Archer and of Flying Fox and Morny Cannon. Also , 1910 Taddy cig. card of jockey Herbert Randall – description on the back mentions braid , buttons & tassels – very subtle.

Anyway moving on , but on a related matter ….. Hugh Lupus Grosvenor was 1st Duke of Westminster – equine "Hugh Lupus" won 1955 Irish 2000 Guineas , owned by the then Duke’s daughter I believe , Lady Ursula Vernon.

Obvious question coming up – any idea of her colours please ?

Yes , I have started looking at Irish classics !!

Happy Easter All.

[slewman]

Hi Isinglass
The Irish Classics, especially the Derby will prove a challenge. Not sure about you but I can only go back to 1960’s with colours and info.
To all have a safe and Happy Easter.

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