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I Want to see the odds on who turns up.
Paddy are not quoting a price for Sprinter, so it’s looks like they are second guessing he wont run. I’m not 100% but seem to recall Nicky Henderson did say he was happy enough to go straight to Cheltenham so it might be a case of seeing if either or both of UDS and SDG don’t line up before laying his cards on the table.
Mullins seems keen to get a run into Un De Sceaux he has an option of the Tied Cottage Chase at Punchestown in February so may not run here as they also have Felix Yonger on standby. Looking at the odds UDS is currently evens with SDG 6/4 so I wouldn’t be jumping in Ante Post with the other option available and not sure how shorter he would be if confirmed.
SDG looks the one guaranteed runner with the trainer delighted with the way the horse has ran the last twice and the current weather will be music to his feet.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Nathan, I’ve talked myself into an each way bet on Captain Conan @ 25’s, especially after the successful return from a long layoff, of Triolo D’Alene for Henderson today.
You’ve talked me into putting Captain Conan into the forecast behind my horse….
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As soon as he’s a deffo, I’m booking the train tickets…..
Trying to get my hands on another camara at the moment and UDS would make a good subject to try it out on.
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I was thinking about the Ascot card and there’s a listed mares hurdle – Mullins might decide to send a couple of horses over and get another run into UDS as soon as possible.
Surely UDS simply has to put in a clear round of jumping and he wins easily. I large amount of money has gone on him today. Most significant is Paddy Power going 8/15 from Evens!!.
I’m on at Evens and he is also in my Ante Post Cheltenham festival treble.Bookmakers haven’t taken any chances ante-post, working to a massive over-round. UDS put in slightly bigger price than would be if a certain runner and all the rest shorter than they’d be if UDS started. I don’t think there’s been a large amount of money for UDS, just that he’s a more likely runner and so bookies have shortened him accordingly, lengthening the rest.
It was either this race or the Tied Cottage for UDS. With confirmed front runner likely to go for the latter race I can see Mullins thinking he’d have a better chance of getting a fairly easy lead at Ascot.
Value Is EverythingVenture to Cognac, thankyou for the welcome. I’ve followed these pages for some time and have finally decided to join in with you knowledgeable fellows !!.
It was either this race or the Tied Cottage for UDS. With confirmed front runner likely to go for the latter race I can see Mullins thinking he’d have a better chance of getting a fairly easy lead at Ascot.
Un De Sceaux would get an easy lead if there were 100 front runners, he’s the fastest ginge, tapes go up he takes off, catch me if you can. Of course Ruby will want to hit a certain fraction per furlong but if he has to burn one off to get the lead he will, then he will stack them up like a pack of cards at this point some will think he’s tired as the pack has closed up on him, your horse SDG eyes will light up and he will range up and wont be stopping either but this is when we will see what UDS has under the bonnet, it wont be good for Sire De Grugy….!!!
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It was either this race or the Tied Cottage for UDS. With confirmed front runner likely to go for the latter race I can see Mullins thinking he’d have a better chance of getting a fairly easy lead at Ascot.
Un De Sceaux would get an easy lead if there were 100 front runners, he’s the fastest ginge, tapes go up he takes off, catch me if you can. Of course Ruby will want to hit a certain fraction per furlong but if he has to burn one off to get the lead he will, then he will stack them up like a pack of cards at this point some will think he’s tired as the pack has closed up on him, your horse SDG eyes will light up and he will range up and wont be stopping either but this is when we will see what UDS has under the bonnet, it wont be good for Sire De Grugy….!!!
It is not as simple as saying “Un De Sceaux would get an easy lead if there were 100 front runners, he’s the fastest” Nathan. How a race is run is important.
Unless ground is very firm, there are many horses capable of running optimum, equal fractions over two miles. Point is a lot of those horses don’t like being in front for long. Therefore, when a front runner has no other front runner to take on it has a better chance of getting its own way in front, of going the equal fractions (or slower) and therefore better chance of winning. If UDS goes for the Tied Cottage he’ll probably be facing another very fast, confirmed front runner in Special Tiara. Make no mistake, if the jockey on Special Tiara decides to take on UDS then he is capable of going equal fractions over two miles. Yes, Ruby could go faster than equal fractions to get the lead in the early stages. But if doing so won’t be going optimum pace to achieve his best rating. Yes, he’ll be stopping in the latter stages because of going too hard early… Therefore giving a hold up horse who has gone equal fractions a better chance of beating him. But even if not meeting Special Tiara this time, UDS will meet him at Cheltenham.
Wonder if Moore is going to try and use Traffic Fluide as a spoiler against UDS in the Clarence House, taking him on over the first few fences? A fluent jumping front/prominent runner. Horse who’s not top class, but is fast enough to be third in the Grade 1 2m Maghull on good ground. So if it’s soft/heavy should be able to keep up with UDS for the first half of the race if they’re going equal fractions.
Value Is EverythingI can understand Traffic Fluid being a pain but don’t see the point in Special Tiara cutting his own throat to disrupt UDS for what point, to finish last.?
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I can understand Traffic Fluid being a pain but don’t see the point in Special Tiara cutting his own throat to disrupt UDS for what point, to finish last.?
Take a look at Special Tiara’s form Nathan. He leads every time and that is no coincidence. It’s how he likes to race. Special Tiara’s chance will be far less if doing something that takes him out of his comfort zone (ie not leading). When coming up against other front runners in the past he’s just gone faster – to lead.
All Fehily needs to do at the post is say to Ruby “I’m leading at a fast pace”; what is Ruby supposed to do?……
a) Go even faster to lead? Going faster in the early stages than he can keep up in the latter stages, not racing for an optimum performance rating and giving hold up horses a better chance of beating him.
b) Race alongside? Probably his best option, but even so is not something UDS is used to in race condititions. Probably been in that position for two fences in his whole career (in the Atkle). Take a look at in-running comments of both Special Tiara and Un De Sceaux and neither horse disputes it very often. ST went six lengths clear at the start of last year’s Champion Chase. Both horses are enthusiastic front runners – generally a very good thing – but when two of that type meet the horses (not jockeys) sometimes take each other on when racing alongside.
c) Third option is for Ruby to take a pull, racing behind Special Tiara. Something totally different and takes UDS way out of his comfort zone. Under those conditions will UDS pull hard?
Will UDS jump as well as when in front? Will UDS sulk? I am not saying any of this will happen, it’s just that with an enthusiastic sort who has always front run and been known to take a keen hold – it is very possible. So I’ll end with: Will UDS be fine, settling and jumping well? Special Tiara’s connections might even do something totally alien to him, but looking at his record I doubt that. Can certainly see why Mullins seems to have chosen the Ascot option.
Value Is EverythingRichard Johnson on Dunraven Storm was upsides in the Arkle, Ruby had a hold on UDS but you can see UDS being headstrong and keeping himself infront. It’s going to be an intriguing tussle if they both want the lead at Cheltenham. If Ruby was to sit UDS in behind I would guess he would definatly have his arms pulled out by the horse.
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Looking forward to this, not just from a betting angle but with one eye on Cheltenham.
Make no mistake, this is by far the biggest question to be asked of UDS. Sore De Grugy is a top class 2 mile chaser and in a different league to anything he has faced before.
He came off the bridle to beat Gods Own and Just Cameron after Cheltenham and yet all I’m reading everywhere is that he is going to beat SDG easily…I just don’t see it..
Jumping issues are clearly there and personally after a fall id liked to have seen a confidence booster in an easier race yet he is up against the toughest opponent he has faced yet and is vulnerable IMO, especially with the other Moore horse in there.
Think I’ll have a small interest in SDG but still excited to see if UDS is the real deal…
I don’t see Un De Sceaux’s jumping as suspect as such, yes he’s hit the deck twice but other than that he absolutely pings his fences and it’s one of his main strengths, I’d rather have his way of jumping than a horse that never falls but just fiddles his way from one fence to the other or jumps the fence far less enthusiastic than UDS and loses time and ground over them.
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Will UDS jump as well as when in front? 
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