May 13, 2006 at 15:24 #2717DACMember
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I realise that when trainers enter a horse in a claiming race that they do run the risk of losing the horse. However there have been some strange claims – i.e. the Kylkenny case and more recently there has been the claim of the 11 year old Ionian Spring. One has to question why people claim an 11 year old who must be reaching the end of his career and hopefully heading for an honourable retirement. I can certainly appreciate that<br>Clive Cox is sad at losing Ionian Spring who was a real favourite in his yard not to mention a favourite of his owners -members of Elite Racing.
Any views on this?May 13, 2006 at 15:35 #72224davidjohnsonMember
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Yes. If you run a horse in a claimer, don’t spit the dummy when it gets claimed.May 13, 2006 at 17:59 #72225VenusianParticipant
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When a horse is entered in a claimer, connections are effectively saying, "this horse is for sale at (say) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£5000, any takers?".May 14, 2006 at 10:47 #72226dinMember
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But can anyone answer the question – why would someone wish to claim a horse aged 11? At best he can only run in further claimers or sellers or he wouldn’t have been in one in the first place. He’s a flat horse so presumably won’t go hunting or eventing.May 14, 2006 at 10:56 #72227Irish StampMember
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It’s easy Din, just look at the prices someone like Diamond Racing, think it’s them who claimed Kilkenny charge. They can afford to pay 10k for one of the household names and stalwarts of the track as they’ll make 35k+ just from membership syndication fees for that horse. If he’s reclaimed then they’ll make 35k from the one horse rather than buying an untried youngster.May 15, 2006 at 19:07 #72228dinMember
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Many thanks, Irish Stamp. Now I understand what Diamond Racing are doing. Looking at their website they also have a 12 yr old so let’s hope he and Ionian Spring do well and earn their claim money. What happens if they don’t?August 18, 2006 at 13:19 #2894
Just wondering what the current view on claimers is amongst trainers? Is it still regarded as ungentlemanly for a chap to claim another chap’s horse or are attitudes changing? Does anyone know whether the number of horses being claimed is increasing?August 18, 2006 at 14:38 #75566apracingParticipant
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Not easy to answer as the BHB have opted for total secrecy around the claiming process since the move to a telephone bidding system.
There’s no information on how many claims are being made, nothing on the BHB website to indicate when a horse has been claimed and changed stables and hence no way of knowing who is making claims and who isn’t.
I’ve asked the BHB why they feel the need for the process to be conducted in darkness, but could get no satisfactory answer.
The only information in the public domain is that provided at the bottom of the result chart in the Racing Post, but that certainly doesn’t pick up all the claims.
My own experience of looking for possible purchases in claiming races this year, has been that most trainers now enter horses at unrealistic valuations and thus the turnover has dropped.
The bargains are still out there though – in theory, you could have claimed Young Mick for Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£5,000 when he won his first race back in January.
AP<br>August 18, 2006 at 19:27 #75567
In looking for areas of specialisation, I have been trying to consider those parts of the racing programme where it might be easier to gain an edge. Since claimers and sellers are two kinds of races that I have hitherto skipped over, I thought that they might be a good place to start.
I’m interested that you say that trainers are entering horses at unrealistic valuations. Does that indicate that their perception is that a horse is more likely to be claimed than was the case in the past? Otherwise, wouldn’t they enter the horse at a lower valuation and hence lower weight knowing that a claim was unlikely?
I found a lot of information about American claimers, in which it seems that the claims are made before the race, whereas as far as I can make out, British claimers don’t see any claims made until after the race….or have I got this wrong?
I hadn’t realised that about Young Mick. Be a long time before he sees a claimer again!August 18, 2006 at 19:30 #75568dave jayMember
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Sellers are great races for betting, especially when there is virtually no form. Not as good as NH Flat races though !!August 18, 2006 at 19:37 #75569SirHarryLewisParticipant
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Quote: from dave jay on 8:30 pm on Aug. 18, 2006[br]Sellers are great races for betting, especially when there is virtually no form. Not as good as NH Flat races though !!
Love betting on bumpers and the chelters one is my favourite…my only winner at the last festival.
SHLAugust 18, 2006 at 19:41 #75570
Sellers, claimers, banded meetings on a Monday afternoon at luverly Wolverhampton. This is what racing is all about.
All too often I have found myself confronted with an Irish NHF race in an attempt to salvage something from another losing Saturday. Naturally, being a phenomenally successful punter, I always pick the winner, even in unraced fields of twenty-seven in the rain. Then I get straight on the Betfair forum and tell everyone about it.August 18, 2006 at 20:58 #75571dave jayMember
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I think these types of races are really about betting and probably the less you know about horses the better. Naturally that suits me fine.
I know your only kidding about the BF forum .. your using sentences.<br>:biggrin:August 18, 2006 at 21:18 #75572
:biggrin:August 19, 2006 at 08:01 #75573apracingParticipant
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Yes, in Britain the claim is made after the race. In the US, the horses train at the track, so potential claimants know before the race whether the horse is sound and fit. Obviously that isn’t the case here where horses are trained privately.
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