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And Dave was wearing a hood, blinkers, cheekpieces and a sheepskin noseband – it was double squiggle versus treble squiggle.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"If the attendance was down the first 3 days do you think the buy and sell ticket brigade outside the course all the way down to the town had a bad year??
Hope they lost a lot, really gets on my tits walking to the course and hearing it every 50 metres or so
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R4R not rewards for ticket touting – it’s the way forward.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Who are all these people that turn up without tickets? The touts must make money or else they wouldn’t be there but it amazes me that you’d go to all that effort to go and not have a ticket. You can buy one now for next year!
Richard, I’ve spent my entire life wondering that.
I know I’m unusually organised – even as a young man I’d buy tickets in advance, set off early in case of traffic, and take my own food and drink with me to consume en route to avoid paying “in stadia” prices anywhere.
One reason I go alone is I can’t be doing with other people being less organised, making us late and spoiling my day.
So, whether it was Derby Day or a music concert, I could never get my head around the concept of travelling to an event you don’t yet have a ticket for and giving a tout business.
And tbh if those who do would actually plan and organise their lives better, there wouldn’t be any scope for ticket touts to acquire batches of tickets ahead of genuine enthusiasts as they’d never be able to sell them on the day.
One way or another, whether directly or indirectly, disorganised people end up
disrupting the lives of others.Making their own – and other people’s – lives more difficult than they need to be.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Hope they lost a lot, really gets on my tits walking to the course and hearing it every 50 metres.”
Best to avoid Aintree then, where it is more like every 5 metres.
I was even stopped twice on the approach to Haydock Park on Wednesday.
I was also twice asked if I had tickets to buy or sell during the 100-yard walk from the pleasant grass car park to the entrance at Epsom Downs at their final meeting one quiet Sunday last September.
I already had a R4R ticket stored on my iphone XR, acquired literally months in advance.
It was a bit like being asked if I’d like to buy one of those original, pre-internet, mobile phones, that were the size of a brick, had their own aerial like a walkie-talkie and which you really needed to have first purchased a hold all to carry it around in.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Some of the ones at Cheltenham definitely sounded like they usually hang around somewhere near Aintree.
It’s a real problem in the live music industry apparently. Reselling there seems to be almost encouraged at times. Although some of the top end artists who could quite easily afford to perform for free for the rest of their days are guilty of greed. Some of the prices I’ve seen quoted are absolutely ridiculous and as Ian says, those who pay them bear some responsibility.
It’s a curious world – in 2020 at the height of Covid everyone had to stay at home because it was a legal requirement and the overwhelming majority complied.
If, for just one year, the overwhelming majority did the same regarding sporting and music events, there would be a gigantic downward market correction the following year.
The obscene financial demands of those whose only actual role in life is to entertain us would be brought to heel.
The value of anything is determined by what some muppet is prepared to pay for it and the more muppets who will pay extortionate prices, whether directly at initial ticket release or via reselling/tout outlets, the more the price is maintained and driven yet higher for everyone else.
If everyone boycotted the Cheltenham Festival in 2024 you can be sure prices would literally halve in 2025.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Quite. No racecourse, musician or anyone else cares if I turn up, only that somebody does. Individual ‘boycotts’ achieve nothing other than denying yourself something that you would otherwise enjoy (if you’ve decided the price is too high, that’s different). It takes mass action and if anyone believes that will happen then I have some magic beans to sell.
“It takes mass action and if anyone believes that will happen then I have some magic beans to sell.”
Sadly, I’d say absolutely – they can sleep easily knowing it will never happen.
My Dad (very much a man of his era) never understood the culture of “celebrity” which first emerged in his later years.
To him everyone, from movie stars to comedians to musicians, were simply “Music Hall Persons,” there to entertain people who had “proper jobs,” and he used to say he’d no more revere and idolise them than he would a performing monkey.
He felt the same same way about football players and other sporting “stars.”
I don’t necessarily entirely agree, but somewhere along the way people whose role in life is simply to entertain have become deified and allowed to charge pretty much what they like for their services and I think as a society we are collectively the worse for it.
So just say “No” to extortionate ticket prices, whether bought direct or touted!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Admission prices and cost of food and drink inside venues does not appear to make any difference. Blue chip sporting events, concerts, theatre. None of the tickets or refreshments are cheap nowadays. What hurt Cheltenham was the ridiculous hotel prices, rising transport costs, the teachers strike on Wednesday and the threat of a rail strike on Thursday.
I have a free ticket to go to Cheltenham on Wednesday 19th April. The train fare is £55. I am sure that is about £10 more than I paid last year.
Despite constant media talk of a cost of living crisis, plenty of people are still doing well and are not particularly affected. I was talking to a fellow on the bus to St Helens after visiting Haydock this week. He was a bit put out that a pint of Carling cost £6.45 but he said he had five (which suggests he was not that bothered). That is £32 on beer alone. His ticket was about £20, he said he bought something to eat there and he said he lost on his bets. He then said he was having a few more pints back in St Helens.
All told he is looking at a day costing at least £100 and possibly a fair bit more if his betting losses were high. Not much sign of a cost of living crisis in his house and he is by no means alone.
That’s about right Cork. Not only are many people largely unaffected, I think those worst affected probably didn’t go to these sorts of things anyway for various reasons. Chief amongst which is that it was too expensive before.
“To him everyone, from movie stars to comedians to musicians, were simply “Music Hall Persons,” there to entertain people who had “proper jobs,” and he used to say he’d no more revere and idolise them than he would a performing monkey.
He felt the same same way about football players and other sporting “stars.”
Firmly with your father on this one Ian, I’ve never understood the celeb culture. They are just actors, singers, sports people who are good (not all) at what their profession is………..much like doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers and so it goes on.
Before the wrath for ticket prices is dropped on the performers, what needs to be sorted out is the manipulation and extortion of prices by Live Nation/Ticketmaster.
They have the market and are left to totally exploit it.
If I decide a concert ticket is too expensive I won’t go, but I do think I’m in the minority with that.
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