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Following Cappa Bleu’s run on Sunday when he finished an apparently? disapointing third(last) he has drifted out to 50/1 for the Gold Cup.
For me the run seemed to be very much a public schooling. Cappa Bleu has shown in his relatively short career that he is an out and out stayer.
On his form I am not sure why people backed him and as for going off at 5/4 Fav it was a joke.
Fistly, Aintree is generally a track that suits speed horses and 2m 4f looks like the perfect trip for Door Boy (who over that trip is a decent horse!).
Even during his p2p races he had to ridden at times to get on top and that was over 3 miles. The Foxhunters/Gold Cup trip looks perfect for Cappa Bleu and although I don’t expect him to win he could sneek a 3rd place. The run at Aintree on Sunday was not disappointing and as the trainer has since stated he will be a different proposition over 3m 2f and may even have a squeek if appearing in the Hennessy.
I would definately take the 50/1 with Paddy Power before that run.
The 2009 (GC winning) version of Kauto Star beats any version of Denman and anything else currently in training.
There is a long way to Cheltenham though and anything can happen but if the champion turns up on form it’ll be Gold Cup #3 for Kauto.
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Read today that Cool Dawn in 1998 was the last 10yo to win the Gold Cup.
I’m contemplating throwing a few more bob on Cooldine upon hearing that.
My problem with Cooldine is he’s fully exposed and unless its hock deep I can’t see him being good enough.
If there’s going to be a surprise winner and something that can challenge Kauto Star’s supremecey it’s going to have to be something that can come up through the ranks and develop into something special.
One such a horse was brought to my attention a few weeks ago and funnily enough he’s trained by your man. The horse is Glencove Marina who Mullins apparently regarded as the best horse he’d ever trained not that long ago…if that is incorrect my apologies I’m only quoting what I have been told
To be honest the name never ran a bell with me but when I saw he beat Finger on the Pulse by 10 lengths in his 2nd novice chase so I had a look on ATR. That was a very good race run at a strong pace and Glencove Marina was absolutely hacking all the way round and picked up like a real good horse after the last.
I have just read he’s back in training and if he comes back to his best this season IMO he’ll be at least a possible for the Ryanair or even the Gold Cup itself as Mulklins suggests…looks a right horse and could just be worth a fed quid ew at 50/1.
Cooldine is hardly a soft ground plodder. He was only beaten five lengths in the Cheltenham bumper on good ground. The following year he finished fourth to Blazing Bailey as a novice hurdler in the Stayers Hurdle on quick ground at Punchestown and he hacked up in the Sun Alliance last year on yielding. He’s beaten an Arkle winner over 2m5 in the Moriarty. I think he represents great value at the current odds given that Beneficials usually come into their own over a trip. He’s made for 3m2 around Cheltenham.
Glencove Marina was a top quality horse two years ago and he’d probably have beaten either Tidal Bay or Albertas Run at Cheltenham. Its always dodgy bringing one back after having a leg though. I’d want to see him having a run or two before backing him. He’s only ran twice over fences and needs more experience.
"Imperial Call" wrote: Cooldine is hardly a soft ground plodder. He was only beaten five lengths in the Cheltenham bumper on good ground. The following year he finished fourth to Blazing Bailey as a novice hurdler in the Stayers Hurdle on quick ground at Punchestown and he hacked up in the Sun Alliance last year on yielding. He’s beaten an Arkle winner over 2m5 in the Moriarty. I think he represents great value at the current odds given that Beneficials usually come into their own over a trip. He’s made for 3m2 around Cheltenham.
Glencove Marina was a top quality horse two years ago and he’d probably have beaten either Tidal Bay or Albertas Run at Cheltenham. Its always dodgy bringing one back after having a leg though. I’d want to see him having a run or two before backing him. He’s only ran twice over fences and needs more experience.
While Cooldine isn’t a plodder, your use of the Moriarty as a defence is laughable. It was like they finished in slow motion.
While Cooldine isn’t a plodder, your use of the Moriarty as a defence is laughable. It was like they finished in slow motion.
How exactly? Sure it was run in heavy ground, but a slow horse would not win a 2m5 grade 1 race with three grade 1 chasers in behind. Should we discount that form because it turned into a slog?
While I agree that Cooldine is not an out-and-out plodder, it was undoubtedly his plodding ability that won him that race.
The Gold Cup trip should suit him sown to the ground in my opinion.
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Plodder or not he wouldn’t blow wind up Kauto Star’s backside. Horses like him only win Gold Cups against horses like Kauto when the mud is flying and it’s all about staying but then he’d have Denman to cope with. Not my idea of a Gold Cup winner by any stretch of the imagination.
Brennan apparently thinks IC will get the GC distance doing handstands and he looks a transformed horse already this season – and he wasn’t bad in March either!
10/1 won’t be around forever, although going right-handed in the King George, if they choose there as his pre-Chelts run, won’t be ideal given his earlier problems. Ryanair would be backup it seems.
Have just called through an e/w on Killyglen @ 40-1 for this, simply because if he wins on saturday and is cut I’ll be gutted I’m not on.
Brennan apparently thinks IC will get the GC distance doing handstands and he looks a transformed horse already this season – and he wasn’t bad in March either!
10/1 won’t be around forever
, although going right-handed in the King George, if they choose there as his pre-Chelts run, won’t be ideal given his earlier problems. Ryanair would be backup it seems.
I agree – he’ll be 16/1 after Kempton
I’ll wait until after the King George before making my decision,
.Seriously though, I’m still with Kauto Star for the GC. Denman was magical today but I don’t think his performance would have beaten the 2009 GC winning version of Kauto Star.
There is still a long way off till the 2010 Gold Cup but it’s looking like it could be an epic battle.
I have always been on the Kauto "side" of things, and i backed nothing today. But I was screaming at the t.v. as Denman came up the straight. I have massive admiration for the horse. There was a stage when What A Friend came to him that I thought the weight would get the better of him, but he just kept going. One of those performances that makes the hairs stand on end.
I now hope that:
– Kauto hacks up in the KG and Imperial Commander flops badly
– KS and IC then don’t run again until Cheltenham
– Denman hacks up in the Aon
– The bookmakers go 6/4 Kauto Star, 2/1 Denman, 16/1 Imperial CommanderI can then smash
Imperial Commander
E/W @ 16/1 safe in the knowledge that he has every chance in the GC as a fresh horse back at Cheltenham.
It is a privelege to have Denman and Kauto racing and they set a very high standard but they will both be 10 in March and have both had extremely hard races already this season and many hard slogs over the past few seasons. Surely it has to take its toll eventually! My heart still says I want one of these two to do it again but my head definitely says IC – a younger horse with less miles on the clock, who loves Cheltenham and being fresh, and showed he stays fine at Haydock – will likely present a great opportunity antepost after the KG/Aon.
I now hope that:
– Kauto hacks up in the KG and Imperial Commander flops badly
– KS and IC then don’t run again until Cheltenham
– Denman hacks up in the Aon
– The bookmakers go 6/4 Kauto Star, 2/1 Denman, 16/1 Imperial CommanderI can then smash Imperial Commander E/W @ 16/1 safe in the knowledge that he has every chance in the GC as a fresh horse back at Cheltenham.
It is a privelege to have Denman and Kauto racing and they set a very high standard but they will both be 10 in March and have both had extremely hard races already this season and many hard slogs over the past few seasons. Surely it has to take its toll eventually! My heart still says I want one of these two to do it again but my head definitely says IC – a younger horse with less miles on the clock, who loves Cheltenham and being fresh, and showed he stays fine at Haydock – will likely present a great opportunity antepost after the KG/Aon.
I hope Twister skips the King George completely with Imperial Commander, freshens him up with a spin in one of the trials (Cheltenham ex-Pillar?) as I agree he could be an each-way squeak for the Gold Cup
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