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I dont understand the posters on here who say kauto would have beaten imperial commander if he had not have made jumping mistakes, thats the whole point of the race you have got to jump, kauto should be retired he will not win another gold cup and he has nothing to prove, denman ran a great race. paddy brennan rode the race perfectly.
NTD has done reaaly well with both Khyber King and Imperial Commander. He deserves all the praise he gets for a job well done.
I think it’s great for NH racing that Kauto Star has a new rival to contend with as Denman really isn’t a threat anymore.
Actually we’ve been robbed in a sense. Kauto Star has now thrown away 2 Gold Cups with some awful jumping.
Looking back at his first defeat I think Denman is a very lucky horse to have won a Gold Cup as he really is very one paced when that tank empties. Many would argue but I reckon, especially after he won his second Hennessy the big horse is as good as ever. This year like in 2008 he had them all at it again he just had more to contend with this time round.
He’s still a smashing horse though but his Gold Cup days are surely over.
Should he go for the National they haven’t invented a handicap that will stop him winning. He is in may ways similar to Crisp and I doubt if there’s another Red Rum lurking in the shadows.
As far as Imperial Commander and Kauto Star are concerned I reckon PN will be chomping at the bit for revenge and you’ll find Kauto Sar will strip fitter than he ever has for his first run of the season if a clash with Imperial Commander at Haydock looks on the cards.
When you look back at this season race 3 out Imperial Commander was going much the better and started to pull clear but then he blundered badly 2 out or he would most likely have won by 2 or 3 lengths.
The fact Kauto was said to be neeeding the race is all well and fine but Imperial Commander is a younger horse and should be even better next year and as I don’t see Nigel TD shirking the issue I can see a very early clash taking place in the Betfair again.
It will be a race to savour if it takes place and I’m pretty sure Ruby and PN will be out to prove once and for all that Kauto Star is still in a class of his own.
Im not too sure Kauto threw it away in 08…..but im 95% sure that he threw it away friday…with what id call a daft lapse in concentration.
Theres no such thing as a genius without flaws
Kauto imo is still in a league of his own.
I was [again] looking at Kauto Stars record last night, and all of his falls/ur’s have been when going left handed. Although there is only a slight difference I feel that if he makes a mistake going right handed his superb balance and athletiscism enables him to correct himself, whereas going left that slight difference prevents him from doing so. Strange that, in a race where I feared so much for Denman it was Kauto Star who we came so close to losing. Thank goodness we didn’t.
Zippy; thanks so much..it was last year that it happened and someone in my racing club did me a copy after our NH review. I can’t watch a horse jump a fence these days [realised a while ago that I close my eyes at every fence] so I watch the recordings afterwards. Very kind of you, though; much appreciated.
Last Friday we saw the real Imperial Commander,a horse who has learnt his trade and has now got all the right tools.
A fantastic perfromance by all concrened,this was a thoroughly deserved win by a fantastic team.
Denman was beaten fair and square,and what a race he ran.
Kauto was beaten when he fell,that’s not the first time he’s not performed in a Gold Cup.
When things don’t go his way this can happen to him,in cricket I think it’s known as a flat track bully.
Well done all at Nigel’s,this was a fantastic renewal.
And a superb winner.- Total Posts 17716
NTD has done reaaly well with both Khyber King and Imperial Commander. He deserves all the praise he gets for a job well done.
I think it’s great for NH racing that Kauto Star has a new rival to contend with as Denman really isn’t a threat anymore.
Actually we’ve been robbed in a sense. Kauto Star has now thrown away 2 Gold Cups with some awful jumping.
Looking back at his first defeat I think Denman is a very lucky horse to have won a Gold Cup as he really is very one paced when that tank empties. Many would argue but I reckon, especially after he won his second Hennessy the big horse is as good as ever. This year like in 2008 he had them all at it again he just had more to contend with this time round.
He’s still a smashing horse though but his Gold Cup days are surely over.
Should he go for the National they haven’t invented a handicap that will stop him winning. He is in may ways similar to Crisp and I doubt if there’s another Red Rum lurking in the shadows.
As far as Imperial Commander and Kauto Star are concerned I reckon PN will be chomping at the bit for revenge and you’ll find Kauto Sar will strip fitter than he ever has for his first run of the season if a clash with Imperial Commander at Haydock looks on the cards.
When you look back at this season race 3 out Imperial Commander was going much the better and started to pull clear but then he blundered badly 2 out or he would most likely have won by 2 or 3 lengths.
The fact Kauto was said to be neeeding the race is all well and fine but Imperial Commander is a younger horse and should be even better next year and as I don’t see Nigel TD shirking the issue I can see a very early clash taking place in the Betfair again.
It will be a race to savour if it takes place and I’m pretty sure Ruby and PN will be out to prove once and for all that Kauto Star is still in a class of his own.
Im not too sure Kauto threw it away in 08…..but im 95% sure that he threw it away friday…with what id call a daft lapse in concentration.
Theres no such thing as a genius without flaws
Kauto imo is still in a league of his own.
I beg your pardon! I’m a genius and I’ve got flaws
I beg your pardon! I’m a genius and I’ve got flaws
You know your stuff Soldier! (Over the jumps that is!)
NTD has done reaaly well with both Khyber King and Imperial Commander. He deserves all the praise he gets for a job well done.
I think it’s great for NH racing that Kauto Star has a new rival to contend with as Denman really isn’t a threat anymore.
Actually we’ve been robbed in a sense. Kauto Star has now thrown away 2 Gold Cups with some awful jumping.
Looking back at his first defeat I think Denman is a very lucky horse to have won a Gold Cup as he really is very one paced when that tank empties. Many would argue but I reckon, especially after he won his second Hennessy the big horse is as good as ever. This year like in 2008 he had them all at it again he just had more to contend with this time round.
He’s still a smashing horse though but his Gold Cup days are surely over.
Should he go for the National they haven’t invented a handicap that will stop him winning. He is in may ways similar to Crisp and I doubt if there’s another Red Rum lurking in the shadows.
As far as Imperial Commander and Kauto Star are concerned I reckon PN will be chomping at the bit for revenge and you’ll find Kauto Sar will strip fitter than he ever has for his first run of the season if a clash with Imperial Commander at Haydock looks on the cards.
When you look back at this season race 3 out Imperial Commander was going much the better and started to pull clear but then he blundered badly 2 out or he would most likely have won by 2 or 3 lengths.
The fact Kauto was said to be neeeding the race is all well and fine but Imperial Commander is a younger horse and should be even better next year and as I don’t see Nigel TD shirking the issue I can see a very early clash taking place in the Betfair again.
It will be a race to savour if it takes place and I’m pretty sure Ruby and PN will be out to prove once and for all that Kauto Star is still in a class of his own.
Im not too sure Kauto threw it away in 08…..but im 95% sure that he threw it away friday…with what id call a daft lapse in concentration.
Theres no such thing as a genius without flaws
Kauto imo is still in a league of his own.
I beg your pardon! I’m a genius and I’ve got flaws
So my post would also apply to you then…cos thats what i said in it
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Last Friday we saw the real Imperial Commander,a horse who has learnt his trade and has now got all the right tools.
A fantastic perfromance by all concrened,this was a thoroughly deserved win by a fantastic team.
Well done all at Nigel’s,this was a fantastic renewal.
And a superb winner.GM
Would you have said the same had the winner been trained by Barney Curley? It’s a certainty he’s never trained a horse that has a 3 stone turnaround in its form every time it runs. I doubt he ever will, either.
Had Imperial Commander been with any other leading trainer, there’s little doubt his formline wouldn’t read like binary arithmetic, so spare me the plaudits for certainly the most inconsistent horse (and probably trainer) in the racing business.Had Imperial Commander been with any other leading trainer, there’s little doubt his formline wouldn’t read like binary arithmetic, so spare me the plaudits for certainly the most inconsistent horse (and probably trainer) in the racing business.
Obviously NTD should never have run him at Kempton this season and at Punchestown on desperate ground at the end of the last one. But apart from those disasters his form reads ok to me. And plenty of trainers put their charges in races they shouldn’t be in.
The key to Imperial Commander is his preference for going left handed,a course like Cheltenham is obviously perfect for him.
I’m sure Nigel knows what the horse needs,there was no harm in trying something different,what happened at Christmas was obviously a mistake.
It’s churlish to knock the form of the race simply because Kauto fell.
Denman ran an amazing race,he was heroic and brilliant in defeat.
The facts though are there for us all to see.
Imperial Commander loves Cheltenham,loves the trip and is a very worthy Gold Cup winner.
I’d back him to beat Kauto Star everytime if they ever have a rematch there.
And I don’t think we’ll ever see him going for spins right handed on easy tracks in the future.Celebrate him.
Don’t knock him.- Total Posts 17716
Euro/GM
There’s no question that Imperial Commander is a very good horse, but there are certainly plenty about the way he’s been trained.
Not once or twice, butin every single race for the past 2 seasons
the horse has failed to put in a run within 30lbs of its previous race, and I find it hard to believe that dozens of other trainers couldn’t have done better.
I’m sure you’re aware RH that NTD has a somewhat unusual training regime (in general): send ’em up the north face of Naunton Hill and devil take the hindmost. A pretty severe form of interval training
The result being that a) many of his horses are produced hard-fit fresh and run below par if turned out again soon after, and b) despite breeding, build, preferences when young many develop great reserves of stamina and improve when sent beyond 3m
‘Unreliable’ and ‘hard to catch right’ may be terms some apply to his charges but unfairly in my opinion because the way they are is the result of a training regime that is pleasingly different from the mainstream, and in general gets the job done more than adequately
Long liked Twister and his horses, more so now that the fella seems to have undergone a course of Primal Scream Therapy and is at peace with the world and the rest of mankind, even the press.
Euro/GM
There’s no question that Imperial Commander is a very good horse, but there are certainly plenty about the way he’s been trained.
Not once or twice, butin every single race for the past 2 seasons
the horse has failed to put in a run within 30lbs of its previous race, and I find it hard to believe that dozens of other trainers couldn’t have done better.
You have a point reet,i would agree regarding his King George runs as i have said before he should have avoided Kempton this year and gone straight for the Gold Cup! On the other hand NTD trained him to win last years Ryanair,Job done! This year Team NTD have made it clear there was always going to be one target!Job done again! Reading between the lines i get the impression you are suggesting that anyone who could have possibly tipped "The Commander" to win the Gold Cup must have been a Genius!
One thing is for sure…..the 2011 Gold Cup winner won’t come out of the 2010 field
It will take a good one to topple Imperial Commander,he won that very comfortably,trouble is he"s only 5/1,
Somersby
is 16"s from 20"s and
Weapons Amnesty
is between 8"s and 10"s! Mikael at 25"s??
One thing is for sure…..the 2011 Gold Cup winner won’t come out of the 2010 field
What makes you so sure exactly? Cooldine was rated a reasonable winner of an RSA and couldn’t even place in a year when the favourite fell. Horses like Weapons Amnesty will have to improve 20 odd lbs to be involved. How can you be so sure they are capable of this?
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