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Contrary to what was written on the previous page, Kauto’s Gold Cup was seven seconds quicker than Denman’s.
I think KS stays the Gold Cup trip just fine and I’ve always maintained that he actually stays better than Denman.
Kauto Star didn’t travel or jump with any fluency last year, yet still got within seven lengths of Denman, who was dead on his feet at the finish. Had KS not belted the last he would’ve been a couple of lengths closer to the winner and held a greater margin over Neptune Collanges.
Considering Kauto was flat out for the second circuit and defeated a horse into third who stays very well, I think his stamina held out very well under the conditions.
It remains to be seen whether Denman’s forceful tactics were the undoing of Kauto, but if the latter travels and the ground isn’t bottomless he’s the most talented horse in the field and the one they all have to beat.
Albertas Run and Exotic Dancer are currently worth a few quid ew, in my opinion.
Becky certainly didn’t write it, there are whole sentences in it and even punctuation
(no offence Becks!)thanx carv lol no offence taken he he glad someone can see the difference between my post and my bosses x
well i would agree that nipper has a better chance on g/s or softer ground, if you look at the times of the last 2 runnings of the gold cup kauto’s win was alot slower than Denman’s win and yet the ground was alot quicker when kauto won, i don’t think kauto stays the trip in a true run gold cup..
That year the race played right into his hands, but last year he had his finishing speed taken right out of him…..i think you’ll find the fastest finishing horse was infact nipper and as ruby said 1 more stride and nipper would have beaten kauto….
I would wish no harm on any other horse and i certainly wouldnt be saying a horse would tip up… but nipper has made fewer mistakes than some fancied horses in the race FACT!!!!!!
Nipper ran kauto to a nose last year and if you were judging kauto on his haydock race than what would you be saying???? just because he won the king george beating Albertas run by less than a fully fit Denman beat him at the weekend isnt great form!!!!! This years gold cup is very open ,last year there was always going to be one winner he was a machine and lets hope he comes back to that form even if we have to wait till next season for that…….LHYou’re quick to tell us what Nichols said with regards to him saying he would have beaten Kauto if they had went a yard or two further, but you’re less than quick to point out that Ruby Walsh said Kauto didn’t feel like Kauto during the race. So if the Kauto that ran in the King George turns up, he might have to find a little bit more than half a length. He also goes straight there this year from the KG.
well i would agree that nipper has a better chance on g/s or softer ground, if you look at the times of the last 2 runnings of the gold cup kauto’s win was alot slower than Denman’s win and yet the ground was alot quicker when kauto won, i don’t think kauto stays the trip in a true run gold cup..
That year the race played right into his hands, but last year he had his finishing speed taken right out of him…..i think you’ll find the fastest finishing horse was infact nipper and as ruby said 1 more stride and nipper would have beaten kauto….
I would wish no harm on any other horse and i certainly wouldnt be saying a horse would tip up… but nipper has made fewer mistakes than some fancied horses in the race FACT!!!!!!
Nipper ran kauto to a nose last year and if you were judging kauto on his haydock race than what would you be saying???? just because he won the king george beating Albertas run by less than a fully fit Denman beat him at the weekend isnt great form!!!!! This years gold cup is very open ,last year there was always going to be one winner he was a machine and lets hope he comes back to that form even if we have to wait till next season for that…….LHYou’re quick to tell us what Nichols said with regards to him saying he would have beaten Kauto if they had went a yard or two further, but you’re less than quick to point out that Ruby Walsh said Kauto didn’t feel like Kauto during the race. So if the Kauto that ran in the King George turns up, he might have to find a little bit more than half a length. He also goes straight there this year from the KG.
Good point! plus the fact Neptune Collonges wouldn’t have gotten near Kauto Star had he not almost fallen the last.
The point Beckster/Lisa Hales makes about Denman beating Albertas Run by further than Kauto Star shows me there is a distinct lack of knowledge about race reading coming from that quarter.
How many times has Jonjo O’Neill said Alberta’s Run needs good ground to be seen at his best?
He could never get going against the big 2 and was obviously hating it. Combine that with them setting the pace up front its amazing he finished so close.
The ground was perfect for him when he met Kauto Star. Totally different scenario.
Certainly not a piece of form I would take seriously or use to make any sort of valid point.
Becky certainly didn’t write it, there are whole sentences in it and even punctuation
(no offence Becks!)thanx carv lol no offence taken he he glad someone can see the difference between my post and my bosses x
GEEZ,
I cant believe Lisa hales spelling is as bad as Becksters, !"m just
glad were not debating "AZERTYUIOP"!! , dont mean to be rude gwil but i hardly think she will be botherd by whatever someone like you has to say.., now enough taunting, this is a raceforum, so enough personel stuff , and chat bout horses, n leave me alone!!! 
Cant see why people think Kauto Star doesnt stay the GC trip…… didnt he win one not so long ago?
I totally agree with Andrew and Bosranic about Kauto staying.
I don’t see why he can’t run in, and win, either the Irish Grand National or the Whitbread after the GC.
Becky certainly didn’t write it, there are whole sentences in it and even punctuation
(no offence Becks!)thanx carv lol no offence taken he he glad someone can see the difference between my post and my bosses x
I can at a glance
Lisa Hales doesn’t know how to use capital letters either. Big fat John must have spent all his money on horses and pies and forget to send her to school I totally agree with Andrew and Bosranic about Kauto staying.
I don’t see why he can’t run in, and win, either the Irish Grand National or the Whitbread after the GC.
It’s quite interesting that Kauto was entered for the ‘Whitbread’ last year.
I think he’s more of a natural three miler / stayer than a two miler.
He really is one in a million – a top class horse that has both an abundance of speed and stamina. Dessie was the same.
It won’t happen, but I’d love to see him go to Sandown after Cheltenham.
No distance on the racing calander would worry me where KS is concerned. He takes so little out of himslef on the way round Cheltenham Sandowm Aintree all come the same to him.
If things have gone to plan he wins and it is really that simple..
I have never known any horse who didnt get the trip to win ta Gold Cup.
Pace and going come into it but if you don’t stay up that hill you don’t win.
Kauto was picking up after looking totally beaten in the latter stages of last yars GC. Anyone who thinks he doesn’t get the trip after that musthave watched a different race than I did.
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Neptune Collonges for me, this horse is a gold cup winner.
looking good looking good
Denman just gone 7/1 on Betfair, same price as Neptunes now for the Gold cup! If that isn"t the alarm bells ringing then i know nothing about
market forces!With Coral offering non runner/ no bet on the big races, I decided to take the 7/4 Kauto – the horse I backed two years ago. No turning back now. I actually think he may go off at slight odds on again.
With Denman but a shadow of the horse he was at this time last year, it has to be Kauto Star’s for the taking. Well that is what I have concluded anyway.
So Kauto Star, let’s see if you can become the first horse ever to regain the Cheltenham Gold Cup.
Here’s hoping.
Though I may have an ew saver on NC if the price is right on the day.
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As himself suggests, it is a formidable stat against KS – trying to get back the crown. He has been lightly raced this year after perhaps not being quite at his best. The KG form is a little tricky to assess, bearing in mind Albertas Run’s other runs, but on the whole it suggests he still has ability in spades. If he arrives in good shape, as the Paul Nicholls suggests he will, I don’t think his old adversaries like ED and NC will beat him this time. As has already been said, if he didn’t get the trip, he wouldn’t have won it before.
Sadly, Denman’s style of winning (steaming off the others like an equine Paula Radcliffe) suggests he cannot possibly get back to that level in the time available. There are several progressive second season chasers, but they have a huge amount to find. They need to up their game considerably, even to place MdB has done his job for the year. I think KS has a great chance.
I cannot believe that Paul Nicholls is still considering running Denman.
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its a funny race this year – paul said it all about denmans last race – he won last year and had a hard race – just because sam wasnt hard on him doesnt mean he didnt have a hard race. Thats what the gold cup does to horses – its the ultimate test. It will be the first year I dont go for a long time (company i work for went bust) but it has been dry and cold for a long time in cheltenham – i think we might have a wet one
For what its worth anyone looking at the history would see that there might be value elsewhere from the front 2 – madison and neptune are now contenders although im not sure whether neptune acts @ chelt. Dont forget nortons coin/cool ground/garrison savanah – we can learn a lot from history – a lesson most of us almost always forget. For all those that are going – it is not the forgone conclusion this year that you might think – thats what makes it the race it is 
I will be watching on tv but not there in the flesh and backing the winner – a strange thing when you live there 
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