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There is a thread for the race already.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
There is a thread for the race already.
I hadn’t noticed the previous cesarewitch thread Steve, I’ve been trying to find a "contact us" link on the site to ask if it’s possible to merge the two threads. Does anyone know how to contact management, and if this problem has happened before, and I would imagine it has, does anyone know if two threads can get merged?
Wondering about the Pipe horse
. Being off for a long time doesn’t bother me with a Pipe horse that’s been laid out for a race.
Wondering about the Pipe horse
. Being off for a long time doesn’t bother me with a Pipe horse that’s been laid out for a race.
Hi Moehat, there’s no doubt a wily stable like the Pipe’s, whether it’s father or son, would be well up to having "a cunning plan" as Baldrick would say.
If the horse was in the same order he was before the lay off, he would be very well handicapped. He was a running on second in this race in 2009 off 89, and on his last flat run in the Chester Cup in 2011, he raced off 100. With the long lay off, the handicapper has allocated him 89 and 11lbs less makes him interesting if he is showing the old magic at Pond House.
I’ve already had my punt for the race, and I certainly wouldn’t put you off him, but knowing the pipe’s like nothing better than a good punt, I might keep a constant look at the market and if it looks like money is getting heaped on, jump in quickly before it goes.
Best of luck
Ladbrokes are doing first 5 places nrnb! So I’ve had Mamlook, Pallasator, that Henderson horse [the mare] and another one that I’ve never heard of. Last time I did a four horse scattergun approach with no studying I did rather well, and Ladbrokes are my lucky bookies. It’s a cunning plan, but it might just work [no horses with turnip in the name, unfortunately].
Nobody jocked up so might not run but I’ve taken 33s NRNB Taglietelle EW with Lads.
He seems to like Newmarket and is very well in against Tiger Cliff on his May running there. Yard is in form and if the rain stays away he’ll get his ground. Getting the trip might prove beyond him, but he has a good speed figure and at the price, I’m happy to take the chance.
Good luck
JoeLieutenant Miller given a bad draw in 32.
Recession Proof is interesting. Won two years ago at the course under Richard Hughes off 88. Now runs officially off 82 but with the excellent Conor King in the saddle taking a further five pounds off, it’s 77 and a weight of 7’11 ( his lowest riding weight in the last twelve months )
Given an easy ride first time back from injury at York and he could be primed for a big run at 25-1 from stall 3.Think i’ll be backing that and Albert Bridge, who was drawn wide last year but still finished 7th as a 4yr old. A year older, stronger and with a better draw, i think he could run well at 40’s.
Well I can’t complain about the draw I suppose, my two I mentioned earlier, Chiberta King and Clowance Estate are drawn 1 and 2, although I have to say that I think too much is made of the draw in the Cesarewitch.
Certainly last year, the first 5 home were drawn 9 and below, but in 2012, the winner came from stall 36. In 2010 it was the high numbers that routed the field, from winner down the stall order was 30, 16, 13, 17, 28, 26, 31, 25, 5, you had to go down to ninth place for a horse in single figures.
The thing about Newmarket is that they constantly move the rails and therefore it’s hard to predict how the draw is going to effect the race, even with the right hand bend which you would think was beneficial to those drawn low. It’s probably safer to watch the races at the start of the meeting to see if their is any noticeable bias with the rails set up.
The pace as always is important and it’s hard to see where its going to come from as most seem to like to sit in. The three that perhaps are more likely to go on are Moidore (15) Scatter Dice (18) and Eagle Rock (33) which could benefit middle to high.
To be honest it is doing my nut in trying to put this race into a neat package, it just won’t fit. I had picked my two out a while back and I’ll just stick with them and hope for the best.
Best of luck.I’m in the same boat G.
I’ve got my Nanton
bet at silly prices, but he’s more of a sentimental selection, and I’d struggle to make a serious case for him. Mind you, if I’m wrong, I won’t be too unhappy. Unlikely.You’ll be delighted/alarmed to know, Chiberta King
is my main fancy now. Bet him a few times already, and with in-form jock on board swaying me big time, and a decent (looking anyway) draw, he looks like serious value at 25’s. Definitely my main hope now.Your other hope, Clowance Estate
, is another regular of mine. Put him up as fancy earlier, and nothing much has changed. Happy to see G Lee booked up, and he’s a safe back up for me, again at a decent price. Was on him last time out, and didn’t see anything to put me off him.A total puzzle at the moment for me, but it’s a race I love, so it’ll be Chiberta King, and Clowance Estate for me too, as well as old Nanton
You’ll be delighted/alarmed to know,
Chiberta King
is my main fancy now. Bet him a few times already, and with in-form jock on board swaying me big time, and a decent (looking anyway) draw, he looks like serious value at 25’s. Definitely my main hope now.
Makes three of us chaps. Looks cracking value, especially with young Oisin taking off 5lbs. I’m on.
Mamlook isn’t running so I’ve substituted Albert Bridge, so that’s Pallasator, Earth Amber and Waterclock. Apart from Pallasator I’ve very little idea as to why I’ve backed them so at least I won’t be disappointed when they lose. I’ve a bad feeling that I’ll stay up really late tomorrow night looking at the race properly and end up going to the bookies on Saturday morning. I won’t curse Nanton with my money.
Mamlook isn’t running so I’ve substituted Albert Bridge, so that’s Pallasator, Earth Amber and Waterclock. Apart from Pallasator I’ve very little idea as to why I’ve backed them so at least I won’t be disappointed when they lose. I’ve a bad feeling that I’ll stay up really late tomorrow night looking at the race properly and end up going to the bookies on Saturday morning. I won’t curse Nanton with my money.
This race looks like an invitation to give away money. Its horrible!!
Pallasator for me but the price would have to improve
SHL
Over the years I’ve been very lucky with these handicaps; it lasted too long for it to be purely beginners luck, but, whatever knack I had seems to have deserted me recently. But I still have to have a few pence on for old times sake. Oddly enough someone has mentioned Waterclock on another forum just now so there is a ray of hope.
I see the ground is gone to good now. But there is more rain forecast so this could turn into very tacky ground perhaps. Anybody from round there??
SHL
Well it’s nearly upon us now, and I’m happy enough with Chiberta King and Clowance Estate. The Pricewise horse, Tiger Cliff is gathering momentum in the market and I’m not about to disagree with the great man on it’s chances, but 7-1 is not for me in a race like this.
If I were to throw another horse into the ring, and consider a small e/w. I can’t for the life of me work out why Platinum is 28-1, when he won the Old Borough Cup last time out, with Oriental Fox 20 lengths behind, and Oriental Fox is best priced 12-1 and as low as 9-1 when they both meet on the same terms. He also had one of my fancies, Clowance Estate 1 1/4 lengths behind, but Clowence is now 4 lbs better off so I would hope he would come out on top.
It could be he’s from a somewhat unfashionable trainer in Philip Kirby, and a relatively unknown jockey in Russ Kennemore. Nonetheless, Russ obviously knows the horse very well, having won 4 times on him, and 28-1 is too big for what he has shown to date.
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