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Walsh typically makes his case well but he does not quite convince. Why was Soumillon even trying to move Ryan at that stage of the race?
I agree the arguments for Soumillon getting a lifetime ban are ridiculous. Another facet of the “cancel culture” where one incident prompts a disproportionate reaction.
However, I think two months is lenient and Karl Burke makes a good point about the Fallon/Webster incident. OK, that was a long time ago but some of the penalties issued make no sense, like Soumillon initially being given a longer ban after the Eclipse than Hanagan received after the Norfolk.
I am not sure France Galop really grasped the seriousness of this incident.
Racing Post – “Fallon and Webster famously clashed at Beverley in 1994 in an incident which resulted in Fallon pulling Webster off his horse after they had passed the winning line. Fallon, who was incensed after the pair clashed mid-race, received a six-month ban for violent and improper conduct.”
Interesting – they weren’t at racing speed, it was as they pulled up after the race, but Fallon actually pulled Webster off his horse – his intent was clear – no one could credibly claim Soumillon’s intent was for Ryan to be unshipped, he was simply indifferent in the heat of the moment to that possibility.
Fallon got six months – the length of ban I thought Soumillon should have received – and I’d still put a year at the upper limit of what he couldn’t really have any complaints about.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"France Galop gofer off to the corner shop to buy a packet of polo mints for Alpinista.
Cancel culture usually applies to something not so serious, being made serious, i dont think theres a comparison to cancel culture here cork, like ive said, IF he had a career ending injury from it, a lifetime ban would be sufficient, you cant say because that “luckily” didnt happen he doesnt deserve a simolar punishment
Fair enough ham, I do recognise that the punishment is lenient. I just think we have to be careful about talking about life bans. That would really only be justified if Ryan had suffered career ending injuries or worse.
That’d be like a footballer only getting a yellow card not a red card because his reckless tackle half way up the other players leg didn’t injure him
Or a high tackle in rugby union only being a yellow because the other guy didn’t suffer a bad head injury
Ryan could’ve been seriously injured, thankfully he was fine but the next jockey might not be
To reduce the chances of this happening again Soumillon should’ve been banned for longer
I’d have banned him for an entire season, so essentially a year
If punishments were based on what might have happened, rather than what did happen, motorists would get the same penalty for dangerous driving as for causing death by dangerous driving – the law simply doesn’t work that way.
Jockeys potentially put each other’s lives at risk every time they make a reckless, careless or dangerous manoeuvre – should all of them get life bans?
What Soumillon did was dangerous, but anyone who thinks he was deliberately trying to knock Ryan off his horse is barmy.
Fallon physically pulling Webster off his horse in 1994 was intent – big difference.
Fallon did it as they pulled up, less dangerous, but still dangerous and clear intent.
He got six months.
Soumillon did what he did at race speed – no clear intent to unship his rival, but a more dangerous scenario.
He should have got six months too – a year if you like.
But a life ban?
Put the torches and pitchforks away, take down those gallows and go home, internet lynch mob members, and leave justice to those who actually understand the law.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’m sure Joffre Mora will be pleased to hear that Ecuadorian stewards don’t understand the law.
That said I think there’d be less fuss about Soumillon if his two month ban had taken immediate effect. As it is he still got to ride (and win) on one of the biggest weekends of the calendar, for owners whose hands were tied in terms of replacing him.
Q: Since when did Ecuador set the bar for international legal justice?
A: Since Friday, when it started suiting the “argument” of howling internet lynch mobs.
Six months – using the Fallon case as a precedent, a year if you like because a man whose kids pick up their own litter ought to know better.
Next case!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“That’d be like a footballer only getting a yellow card not a red card because his reckless tackle half way up the other players leg didn’t injure him”
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Is everyone who mentions Mora’s ban in relation to Soumillon’s “howling”, then? It may have taken place halfway around the world, but the offence in that case also happened mid-race and it is recent.
I actually think a lifetime ban would be extreme, but you were the one citing “precedent” as a reason to give 6 months.
Must we pretend not to see that Mora appears to have received a lifetime ban for what looks like the same act, simply because there are some who scream “throw the book at him” every time someone does something wrong?
Thought 2 months was just about right. If Ryan had stayed aboard Soumi would have got less, if he had been badly injured Soumi would have got more. That’s how it works.
In the Lancashire Oaks Jim Crowley made a deliberate manoeuvre to cause interference to Rab Havlin and his horse that could have led to serious injury to Havlin and/or his horse yet he got away scot free.Graham Gibbons didn’t push or elbow Freddy Tylicki out of the saddle but Freddy still suffered life changing injuries.
He can’t really have any complaints.
Lucrative job gone ok top of the 60-day ban, starting to look like a slightly more just outcome to me now, even though I thought he should have got six months.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"According to Stuart Webster Fallon also head butted him in the changing rooms.
Did that incident not effectively end Websters career? Similar to the Frost/Dunne case with the racing fraternity punishing the victim.
As for Soumillon I can’t have a lifetime ban. Reckless and stupid yes but I don’t think he would deliberately push a jockey off his horse. Not at that speed.
He did though patriot, you cannot suggest that wasnt deliberate lol, a moment of madness clearly, but one thag should be treated with the seriousness of the possible outcome it could have caused
Elliott got longer, For sitting on a DEAD horse,
Why doesnt a much more severe crime deserve a much more severe punishment, it would be curious here to read back on the elliott topic to see where peoples views lie on relation to sitting on a dead horse as opposed to intentionally elbowing a colleague off a horse at 35mph nearly causing any number of life altering outcomes to a human
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