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As has been mentioned most of the "hype" horses ran on the first 2-3 days but hopefully next year Black Caviar will run in the Golden Jubilee so that should excite you a bit more One Eye
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ive just backed a horse at royal ascot and watched the jockey deliberately stop it from running on in the race, it was blatant cheating of the worst kind? a few more have been pulled regardless of the bad ground, its time it was monitered more its all about riding for the bookies as they cant lose even though a couple of favs stung them this week. race im on about, the horse was telwaar and n callan rode, he should be banned for life.
You could run that race another 100 times with any jockey on board and Telwaar wouldn’t win Skyelaw.
Pocket talk, and very ill-informed pocket talk at that.
The horse raced with an awkward head carriage, was one of the first to come under strong pressure and was given every chance by the jockey.
You simply don’t know what you’re talking about if you think there was anything wrong with that ride.
Could not take day 4 or 5 from ATR or BBC, it’s a toss up who should be be-headed Willie or Big mouth Mac, who else would go up to the ruler of an Arab country with a cigar like a broom handle and expect to answer questions from a Tw@t…..
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telwaar was not under any pressure as callan kept tugging the bit to slow him down jolting the horses head cormack, it was a bent race for a lot of the runners in the race. its not sour grapes its the principle of the thing. he could of won if the trainer wanted it too but seeing the race he wanted just a run. as far as dont know what im talking about ive forgot more about horses than you will ever learn if you lived to 300 yrs old. do you honestly believe racing is straight? if you do then you are a mug. ive worked with racehorses and can tell when a rider isnt trying, if the race was run 100 times the result would be the same as it was for the winner, the one that was decided in the jockeys room.
Complete codswallop Skyelaw.
I don’t know where to start.
it was a bent race for a lot of the runners in the race
What on earth have you got by way of evidence to support that claim?
I’m not saying racing is 100% ‘straight’ but if you think that Telwaar was prevented by his jockey from winning that race today, or that a lot of the runners somehow conspired to let Maybe win, then, worked with racehorses or not, you know little about racing, horses or race-riding.
As I said earlier, ill-informed pocket talk.
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telwaars form line reads after the race , dwelt in rear headway over 3 out, ridden over 2 out kept on final furlong, thats what i saw also he had a tight hold of telwaar restraining him so he couldnt go on thats why he dwelt? what it doesnt say is callan switched him 4 x in and out of horses to shorten his stride and then saw daylight thats why he ran on at the end. he was never under any pressure like you say cormack, i suggest you go to specsavers and mix with a few hardened punters and then you will learn about bent racing, you have not seen the race as it hasnt been shown yet? it seems you come on this forum just to argue with genuine punters, i lost a lot of money through callans tactics not 10 pence ew bets like you probably put on. if i was you i would think before i said something stupid like your version of the race , i bet you never even saw it.
telwaars form line reads after the race , dwelt in rear headway over 3 out, ridden over 2 out kept on final furlong, thats what i saw also he had a tight hold of telwaar restraining him so he couldnt go on thats why he dwelt? what it doesnt say is callan switched him 4 x in and out of horses to shorten his stride and then saw daylight thats why he ran on at the end. he was never under any pressure like you say cormack, i suggest you go to specsavers and mix with a few hardened punters and then you will learn about bent racing, you have not seen the race as it hasnt been shown yet? it seems you come on this forum just to argue with genuine punters, i lost a lot of money through callans tactics not 10 pence ew bets like you probably put on. if i was you i would think before i said something stupid like your version of the race , i bet you never even saw it.
Haven’t you got homework to do?
Past his bedtime I’d say
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
telwaar was not under any pressure as callan kept tugging the bit to slow him down jolting the horses head cormack, it was a bent race for a lot of the runners in the race. its not sour grapes its the principle of the thing. he could of won if the trainer wanted it too but seeing the race he wanted just a run. as far as dont know what im talking about ive forgot more about horses than you will ever learn if you lived to 300 yrs old. do you honestly believe racing is straight? if you do then you are a mug. ive worked with racehorses and can tell when a rider isnt trying, if the race was run 100 times the result would be the same as it was for the winner, the one that was decided in the jockeys room.
If that’s your opinion, then why bet in the first place?
Same for anyone who uses this excuse for losing.
I would actually bet a large amount of money that I’ve watched the race more often than you have Skyelaw, despite your totally unfounded and ill–researched assertion that I haven’t watched it. It’s freely available for review on the ATR site and I’ve watched it many times.
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=ASC_2011_06_18_01_1430&brand=ASC
I think it’s a bit harsh to say he ‘dwelt’. He was in rear early but by mid race was in mid-div. He was hardly switched 4 x times, his path was nothing unusual in a two year old race of that type at Ascot.
I don’t want to argue with you any more as I’ve made my points and if you don’t accept them now you never will.
What do others think? Am I deluded or is Skyelaw just another on the (busy) conveyor belt of disgruntled punters who can’t accept personal responsibility for backing losers?
Regarding Specsavers Skyelaw. I was there on Friday, funnily enough, and they did say I need a new prescription, so you could be right SLaw. Didn’t like that puff-of-air-into-the-eye thing they now do much though.
I think you just like to vent off to protect a rather fragile ego.
Telwaar ran in the Chesham Stakes, I see. First Maybe was not for catching and second I was in Ladbrokes before this race was run and there they give you a free look at the Timeform figures.
Maybe was top rated on 114 but it was the symbol which interested me, a large P meaning he capable of much more, which he duly showed.
Telwaar on the other hand, the comments from the racing post reads like this: Took keen hold, hung right throughout, held up towards rear, effort over 2f out, soon outpaced and no threat to leaders, hung right and kept on same pace from over 1f out (op 9-1)
While the sporting life says
dwelt, towards rear, headway over 3f out, ridden over 2f out, kept on inside final furlong opened 9/1 £4000-£500 £5000-£650.
I say he was not good enough, and I put my money where my mouth was and backed Maybe, but if I did back Telwaar I won’t have liked it, but know that only my judgement of the race was in error.
Why would Chapple-Hyam throw a Group race? If there’s a stable in the country who needs winners – good winners at that – it’s Pete Chapple-Hyam.
The horse was owned by his principal owner and there was good money for it. It doesn’t really add up.
Anyway, most of the juvenile races this week were a bit dubious – I’m drawing a line through the lot of them formwise. Shumoos will never lose to that ropey Hannon horse ever again, for example. And back Burwaaz next time – you’ll get your money back, meowd.
Your sentence about encountering hardened punters in the Specsavers made me roll, I have to say, Skyelaw. Thanks.
ive just backed a horse at royal ascot and watched the jockey deliberately stop it from running on in the race, it was blatant cheating of the worst kind? a few more have been pulled regardless of the bad ground, its time it was monitered more its all about riding for the bookies as they cant lose even though a couple of favs stung them this week. race im on about, the horse was telwaar and n callan rode, he should be banned for life.
WHEN YOU ANALYSE THIS POST, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.
IF IT WAS FIXED THEN WOULDN’T THE BOOKIES WANT A HORSE LIKE TELWAAR TO WIN AS HE WAS 13/2
£4000-£500 £5000-£650 WAS SOME BETS MENTIONED IN SPORTING LIFE.
INSTEAD IT WAS THE FAV SO THEY WERE STUNG AGAIN.
£3000-£1000 £2750-£1000 £2200-£800 £25000-£10000 £10000-£4000 £2500-£1000 £10000-£5000.
SO IN FACT I THINK THIS SENTENCE IS CONTRADICTORY TO ITSELF.
You say you have forgotten more than Corm knows and that would appear to include the issue of " corruption". Begs the question why would you choose to use racing as a betting medium and then complain when you do your dosh? Oh I remember now…. you’ve forgot!
I feel your pain, Skye .. better luck today at Ponte, 3 really good looking races there today.
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