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Give me Celestial Halo every time over Binocular at Cheltenham! who gives a monkeys if Binocular beats him everywhere else! Next year with a little tweak here and there in running Celestial will win the Champion Hurdle! Hurricane will struggle up the hill i"m afraid! and thats coming from
someone who thought he was a cert for the supreme!The Champion hurdle
is what counts and ratings should accomodate it accordingly!
Mm, not sure I’d agree with that – that means every other race’s form isn’t worth anything. So in theory a horse could win only 1 race in the season(The Champion Hurdle) and be declared the best in training! And we all know it has happened – personally, the Champion Hurdler is the one who has the most consistent/best form throughout the season – which this year happens to be Binocular – his performance in the Bula at Ascot is the race which clinched it.
Whether he wins it next year is another point. Just how good is Hurricane Fly? Are there any other horses lurking? Maybe horses from the Flat.- Total Posts 17716
Wouldn’t be the first time Andy.
Alderbrook did it and it wasn’t short of amazing.
His owner was here in Thailand when he decided to have a go at it. Danoli had been coughing and if the Bangkok Post, which rarely mention racing, hadn’t reported it he would never have run. Within 8 weeks he had run in and won a moderate Kingwell Hurdle and won the Champion Hurdle. He had another run before the next CH and nearly won that too.
Don’t get many of them in a bag of coal but I suppose if any horse could pull of a stunt like that it would be "Ask"
Dunguib may not be a flat horse as such but the way some people spoke about him after Cheltenham he could pick them all up and carry them if he takes to hurdling.
At first I never paid much attention to him but I have watched him several times since. This is no Cousin Vinny this horse is the real deal and who’s to say at this time he won’t be good enough to win it as a novice.
Are there any other horses lurking? Maybe horses from the Flat.
ANDY, i cant be TAPK and be unable to spot a potential Hurdler from the flat! The horse i feel tailor made to jump hurdles is
TASTAHIL
currently in the care of Mr Barry Hills, This fellow would probably go to either P,Nicholls or N, Henderson, he would take the Novice (supreme)
route i would imagine, but i like the knee action on this horse who is still improving, He could be a Champion hurdler for 2011 though!- Total Posts 17716
LMFAO!!!! He’s Hamdan Al Maktoum owned when’s the sale going through
LMFAO!!!! He’s Hamdan Al Maktoum owned when’s the sale going through
Fist TAPK doesn"t just pick the horse he can pick a suitable trainer too!
Wait and see!!!!!!- Total Posts 17716
"…I can pick a suitable trainer too…"
Who in their right mind would send a decent jumping prospect to either Paul Nicholls or Nicky Henderson – what have they achieved? Wherever did you hear of this unsung pairing, TAPK?
(I know I left my tongue around here in somwhere – oh, here it is in my cheek)
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LMFAO!!!! He’s Hamdan Al Maktoum owned when’s the sale going through
Fist TAPK doesn"t just pick the horse he can pick a suitable trainer too!
Wait and see!!!!!!You better concentrate on finding a very rich owner to buy it first. Hills runs him in a group 2 tomorrrow,
If he runs well he will be aimed at The Gold Cup and if he fails to get the trip he’ may go for Hardwick stakes.
I think we’ll be waiting along time before this fellow is up for sale to go hurdling.
The fact he’s being aimed over longer distances would suggest Hills thinks he’s a stayer and if he went over hurdles he’d want further than 2 miles would he not?
I thought most people looking to buy a CH horse from the flat are looking to buy 10 to 14f horses. Not 16f to 20f horses which he may well end up being.
LMFAO!!!! He’s Hamdan Al Maktoum owned when’s the sale going through
Fist TAPK doesn"t just pick the horse he can pick a suitable trainer too!
Wait and see!!!!!!You better concentrate on finding a very rich owner to buy it first. Hills runs him in a group 2 tomorrrow,
If he runs well he will be aimed at The Gold Cup and if he fails to get the trip he’ may go for Hardwick stakes.
I think we’ll be waiting along time before this fellow is up for sale to go hurdling.
The fact he’s being aimed over longer distances would suggest Hills thinks he’s a stayer and if he went over hurdles he’d want further than 2 miles would he not?
I thought most people looking to buy a CH horse from the flat are looking to buy 10 to 14f horses. Not 16f to 20f horses which he may well end up being.
ENLIGHTENING EH! Bit like the Majority of TAPK"s posts!
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Yes! just one more piece of pityful dribble!
Imperial, 2 18yr old lads! One has been fighting/killing in Iraq, He"s had women in Amsterdam, drunk with men! Lost his wages in Casino"s etc
The other still lives at home with his mum, who cooks and washes for him
he"s just started college, studying Art, never even kissed a girl!
Thats the difference between Celestial Halo and the Hurricane and yet
they are the same age! Ones a street fighter, the others got a lot to learnBy the way Ruby wants to win the Champion hurdle! For Paul Nicholls!
How do you work that one out? Ruby prefers riding winners for Nicholls rather than Willie Mullins – is that what you’re saying?
Also, fairly strange argument you’re making there. You’re not looking for Alastair Down’s job are you? I’ve heard the trends regarding the Champion Hurdle – poor record of 5yos etc., but I’ve never heard that experience of fighting in Iraq or having women in Amsterdam were an indicator to Champion Hurdle winners. Maybe all Celestial Halo’s boozing were responsible for him getting beaten at Liverpool.
I’m pretty sure there are no casinos in Carlow so that may explain why Hurricane Fly has never lost all his wages in one. I can’t explain why he hasn’t gone to Iraq or Amsterdam though. He might not have kissed a girl either but I’m sure being gelded by the time he was four is part of the reason for this.
Imperial, 2 18yr old lads! One has been fighting/killing in Iraq, He"s had women in Amsterdam, drunk with men! Lost his wages in Casino"s etc
The other still lives at home with his mum, who cooks and washes for him
he"s just started college, studying Art, never even kissed a girl!
Thats the difference between Celestial Halo and the Hurricane and yet
they are the same age! Ones a street fighter, the others got a lot to learnBy the way Ruby wants to win the Champion hurdle! For Paul Nicholls!
How do you work that one out? Ruby prefers riding winners for Nicholls rather than Willie Mullins – is that what you’re saying?
Also, fairly strange argument you’re making there. You’re not looking for Alastair Down’s job are you? I’ve heard the trends regarding the Champion Hurdle – poor record of 5yos etc., but I’ve never heard that experience of fighting in Iraq or having women in Amsterdam were an indicator to Champion Hurdle winners. Maybe all Celestial Halo’s boozing was responsible for him getting beaten at Liverpool.
I’m pretty sure there are no casinos in Carlow so that may explain why Hurricane Fly has never lost all his wages in one. I can’t explain why he hasn’t gone to Iraq or Amsterdam though. He might not have kissed a girl either but I’m sure being gelded by the time he was four is part of the reason for this.
How do you work that one out? Ruby prefers riding winners for Nicholls rather than Willie Mullins – is that what you’re saying?
Imperial, what I"m saying is Celestial Halo had been laid out for the Champion hurdle the day after he won the Triumph and had things panned out differently during the race itself, Celestial would have won IMO! Ruby
knows if he rides the race differently next year, he has the right horse to win a Champion for his Guvnor P,Nicholls! My 14/1 is a solid e/w bet
because he has been there and got the t shirt! Hurricane at 4/1 has still to
visit Cheltenham! Big Ask!How do you work that one out? Ruby prefers riding winners for Nicholls rather than Willie Mullins – is that what you’re saying?
Imperial, what I"m saying is Celestial Halo had been laid out for the Champion hurdle the day after he won the Triumph and
had things panned out differently during the race itself, Celestial would have won IMO! Ruby
knows if he rides the race differently next year, he has the right horse to win a Champion for his Guvnor P,Nicholls! My 14/1 is a solid e/w bet
because he has been there and got the t shirt! Hurricane at 4/1 has still to
visit Cheltenham! Big Ask!Ruby rode the perfect race on him. He was hardly going to beat Punjabi or Binocular for speed now was he? Ruby made it a test and gave him every opportunity but he just wasn’t good enough. Admitedly, he just failed, but there’s a few horses that I think will improve past him next year. Hurricane Fly being one, Solwhit another. A bit like Osana in ’08, this year was Celestial Halo’s chance to win a Champion Hurdle. 14/1 for next year seems about right to me.
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These type of horses rarely put up the same performace again, Monksfield aside.
If the race was run again in the same way I really think Binocular would come out on top and that Celestial Halo would still be thereabouts.
But life isn’t that simple. The gound could be livelier, with Osana not running the pace could be very different and Nichols reckons Cel H needs a good lead.
Binocular can adjust to different conditions better than CH which was blatantly obvious at Aintree (Twice in the case of Cel H)
That aside I have a question for TAPK :-
If Binocular and Hurricane Fly don’t meet before the CH, have similar campaigns and all goes well I’m sure you would agree they will be very short prices on the day.
Probably which ever is favourite would be around 5/4-7/4 and the other around 7/4-5/2 and then there would be a huge gap to the next horse. Maybe 9/1 or more. Now if Punjabi goes again and Solwit has a good season one of those could be the one to take that position in the market.
If what you say is correct and Celestial Halo is trained strictly for the Champion Hurdle. Has a couple of runs when not fully would up to get him spot on no one is going to be lumping on to him are they?
So he most liley is going to be available at around12-14/1 on the day anyway.
So why would you the self acclaimed Ante Post King be silly enough to back a horse at 14/1 just now when he could easily miss the race?
Are you sure TAPK doesn’t stand for The Apprentice Punting Kef.
Kef incidentally means " state of dreamy or drug-induced repose"
These type of horses rarely put up the same performace again, Monksfield aside.
If the race was run again in the same way I really think Binocular would come out on top and that Celestial Halo would still be thereabouts.
But life isn’t that simple. The gound could be livelier, with Osana not running the pace could be very different and Nichols reckons Cel H needs a good lead.
Binocular can adjust to different conditions better than CH which was blatantly obvious at Aintree (Twice in the case of Cel H)
That aside I have a question for TAPK :-
If Binocular and Hurricane Fly don’t meet before the CH, have similar campaigns and all goes well I’m sure you would agree they will be very short prices on the day.
Probably which ever is favourite would be around 5/4-7/4 and the other around 7/4-5/2 and then there would be a huge gap to the next horse. Maybe 9/1 or more. Now if Punjabi goes again and Solwit has a good season one of those could be the one to take that position in the market.
If what you say is correct and Celestial Halo is trained strictly for the Champion Hurdle. Has a couple of runs when not fully would up to get him spot on no one is going to be lumping on to him are they?
So he most liley is going to be available at around12-14/1 on the day anyway.
So why would you the self acclaimed Ante Post King be silly enough to back a horse at 14/1 just now when he could easily miss the race?
Are you sure TAPK doesn’t stand for The Apprentice Punting Kef.
Kef incidentally means " state of dreamy or drug-induced repose"
Joking aside Fist, Celestial will be a single figure price come the day No question, purely on his connections/course form! What will be different next year is he will be held up just off the pace instead of being up on the pace, his current price of 14/1 protects my stake with interest, being an e/w proposition, Binocular doesn"t fall into that category at 6/1 but worse than that, i dont believe Binocular has the "never say die" attitude of Celestial, i believe Hurricane is just too much of a bridle horse to want to battle it out, Celestial will only be 6yr old next year and has bags of scope
Can you imagine Binocular racing around Chester chasing Soldier of fortune! NO! didn"t think so! TAPK knows you know!- Total Posts 17716
I’m not saying he shouldn’t start shorter if he gets to the race. I just get the feeling that both HF and Binny will be hyped to hell if they win a couple each impressively. The bookies will cut ther prices to the bone and we’ll get another Kauto Star v Denman situation where the 4th horse in the betting was around 16/1.
TAPK, there is rather a large difference between a horse never having had to come off the bridle to win, and labelling him "too much of a bridle horse".
Celestial Halo has no turn of foot, and would have to use his stamina to try and blight the speed of the opposition in a Champion Hurdle. He would get absoilutely mullered for pace, if his jockey tried hold-up tactics at the Festival.
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