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Just seen it, embarrasing to say the least…
If he hates england so much and loves ireland so dearly why doesnt he just p**s
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Can’t stand Kent Brockman, anyway: waffling, irritating, sanctimonious ****.
"As an Englishman humiliated for years by our treatment of the Irish nation and its extraordinary people, I can only rejoice at my homeland’s increasing eclipse.<br>In a lifetime of racing, few things have palpably improved. But those dreadful days when Irish horse folk were forced to sell their finest seed corn to arrogant and monied Englishmen and women who cared not a jot but for their grubby percentage are, thank God, now gone.<br>We now compete on equal terms and, whisper it not, we are getting the mauling we deserve."
Absolute drivel…<br>
That a tosser.
(though that’s hardly news)
I’m looking forward to his article in 2010 that says:
"As an Englishman/pretend Irishman humiliated for years by our treatment of the French nation and its extraordinary people, I can only rejoice at the increasing eclipse of both my real and pretend homelands.
Those dreadful days when les gens Francais des cheveaux were forced to sell their finest jumps horses to the English and Irish, who left them with nothing but a cartload of Euros to squander on fine food and wine (and very attractive and sexually liberated women) are, thank God, now gone.
We now compete on equal terms and, whisper it not, we are getting the mauling we deserve."
(Edited by stevedvg at 1:08 pm on April 12, 2006)
Whatever you think about his style of writing his general point regarding the state of the English/British horse racing industry as opposed to the its Irish counterpart is a valid.  For the second year running in National hunt the Irish horse have won almost every race of note and the flat outlook is not much better. That looks like it will continue for some time to come. The British horse racing industry is in serious quality decline. Some needs to say it. What ever way they dress it up.
(Edited by Nixer at 1:40 pm on April 12, 2006)
The Irish are quick to leap on anyone who uses their Englishness as an excuse to separate themselves with regard to racing, but they’re not so keen when the praise is being heaped on them.
What does it matter if the best horses in training are Irish, as long as there is top class racing to keep us entertained?
Should we then be subject to an avalanche of culinary articles comparing us to the French, a literary wallowing due to the realisation that our menus, and indeed our diets, are appalling?<br>I don’t think so.
People work damn hard to rid sport of unnecessary divides, and mindless pish like this is no different. Racing is racing, and horses are horses. Friendly rivalry, much like a Merseyside of Manchester Derby, is one thing, but whether it says ‘GB’ or ‘IRE’ next to the horse’s name is completely irrelevant.
(Edited by LetsGetRacing at 1:48 pm on April 12, 2006)
Channel 4 did nothing to help that turning cheltenham into UK vs Ireland… It was moronic in my opinion… I thought it was trainer vs trainer, jockey vs Jockey…
And Down is a pompous tw*t.
Dare an Irish person voice an opinion. for ****
sakeFare enough LGR. Its fine for horse racing if the British racing industry is terminal decline. It bothers me not one ounce. Although given your proclaimed love of the sport surely a strong Britsh industry would be best for all concerned.
Regarding your "were all one when doing good argument" <br>It reminds me of the Man Utd. Juve semi final. Roy Keane scores the headed goal from the corner. "When was the last time a british captain lifted the european cup" the commentator exictedly shouted. Moments later he tackles Nedved ( I think) Yellow card. " He’s misses the final….the Irish man won’t make the final". He must have meant British in the sense that Man utd are a british club i thought to myself. Next thing the camera pans down to Peter Scmichael . "When was the last time a Danish captain lifted the cup? "
I hate to break it too you mate but the Irish horse racing industry is not the British horse raceing industry. To refuse to eneter into a debate on how British racing industry can be improved because you refuse to accept that they are in fact two seperate countries running their industries in two seperate ways is a bit sad.
I tell you what. Were one and the same. Alls good in the hood.
Sometiems difference can be a good thing. Ye know. Just becasue you say someting is different does not mean you are saying it is good or bad . Just different mate ….thats all ….just different. <br>
Nixer…
His main point would appear to be politics and some silly misty eyed romaticism, rather than the actual racing and that is why so many think its out of order
Its fine for horse racing if the British racing industry is terminal decline
Bit strong?
Some nice jumping talent coming through now I would suggest.
Aragon…i agree…i watched RUK anyway, but to turn it into that is childish. Doubt they were doing it in the late 80’s early 90’s either
Nixer…Re Roy keane…does it matter? get over it…ffs
Half the Irish team was british anyway ;)
Fair enough clivex. Thats why i disregarded the way he wrote it and said the point regarding British racing industry in its current state was a valid.
Again I’m sure i will labled as some Nationalistic moron but if I was British and horse’s from another country who’s horse racing industry is not the same as mine were over winning every good race in sight. I’d be asking questions and demanding improvements.
What fun is it for everyone if its Irish one two three’s in the championship race. I want competitive races. Two great Irish horse , Two great scotish horses , Two great English horse going head to head. Obviously an ideal. Not syaing If your Irish you have to back Irish or English you have to back English.
For me a good competition adds spice to an event. As long as its frinedly then there is no problem.
Didn’t agree with the C4 chelts flag/scoreboard. Sad.
Nixer
You are right, the Irish racing scene is strong at the moment.
And I, as a racing fan who loves to see great horses, am very happy about that.
Just as I have been happy that Italy, so often a racing backwater, has given us Falbrav, Rakti and Electrocutionist in the last few years.
The more top class horses the better. And the more countries that have strong racing, the more likely we are to have a large number of exceptional horses.
As for the ownership of these horses, it’s actually interesting how, in flat racing, the English seem to be missing from the list of top owners.
We’ve got Coolmore, the Maktoums & relatives, the Aga Khan and the big French families.
And they’ve got most of the best horses we see running in the UK G1’s.
But that’s not really the topic of this thread.
The topic is how anti-English this part of the article was.
Steve
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Quote: from Nixer on 2:13 pm on April 12, 2006[br]Didn’t agree with the C4 chelts flag/scoreboard.  Sad.<br>
<br>Couldn’t agree more. Then again, it’s designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, as with so much in the media (and society in general) these days. Regarding the nationality debate, who cares so long as we have excellent horses and top-class racing?
Nixer,
You do realise that the commentator at the Man U/Juve game was Clive Tyldsley, the biggest tosser on planet Earth??!
Please dont think that the cr*p that comes out of his mouth is representative of the majority of the British people ;)
I think Alaistar Down likes to dramatise things as it is. However he seems to have succumbed to the fashion that it’s OK to deride anything that’s even remotely British, IMO – and the fact the Irish have given us a good beating at Cheltenham and Aintree just adds to it.
Personally I don’t see the harm in a bit of half-hearted patriotic rivalry, as long as it doesn’t become the be-all-and-end-all of a great race meeting (which it shouldn’t anyway as by and large it’s irrelevent). Patriotism these days tend to be associated with far-Right thuggery and that view is a blinkered one.
I agree with Nixer’s point that the current state of the British racing industry can’t be ignored, especially as regards the NH scene. While it’s great to have top class horses regardless of where they’re from, if this trend continues or worsens, it can’t be good news for British owners, breeders and soforth.
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