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    Blackcountry Kid
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    I understand UK Government debt has been assigned a new moniker,the ‘moron premium’ c/o Rachel from accounts.
    Not really surprising when Starmer,Lammy have sloshed it so lavishly on things like the Chagos deal which government documents now reveal it costing ten times as much as they said and given a bung worth billions soon after they came to power unions are now back demanding more.
    Presently the guessing game is over how they will fill the black hole created by themselves or will Rachel from accounts/complaints now claim the imaginary black hole from last year was bigger than she thought?
    One thing’s for sure it won’t be the public sector or unions coughing up the cash but private sector workers and companies.
    Before the left here start weeping and wailing it’s all everybody’s fault why do you think the electorate rejected Labour over and over and over again ….. the clue’s maybe seen by looking at this government.
    good luck to all

    #1739004
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Looks like the school holidays are over.

    #1739014
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    Not a particular fan of polls but for what it’s worth Yougov has Reform on 28, Labour 20, Conservative 17, Lib Dems 16 and Green 11.

    Wouldn’t think it from the news coverage would you?

    If you still don’t think we need PR then you need your head examining. Nobody deserves any sort of majority or anything close to it on those numbers.

    Separately, whose bright idea was it to have a ruling on the Epping hotel on Friday afternoon? Whichever way it goes people are going to kick off, do it on Monday.

    #1739020
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    But doesn’t PR lead to lots of coalitions? My ex teacher daughter says it’s big mistake giving votes to 16 year olds as all of her sons friends ( white, middle class, intelligent) would vote for Farage because they find him funny.

    #1739021
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    I’d rather coalitions than handing essentially unchecked power to parties getting a third of the vote or even less. Why do you think Farage has gone quiet about PR? His paymasters will be busy working out how to convince enough voters in the right places to give them a chance of a majority.

    Any recent polling shows you that nobody has the slightest chance of a majority under PR as it stands. There’s actually a slight majority voting left/centre left if we include Labour in that (yes, I know).

    Previously bringing in PR would mean many MPs effectively voting themselves out of a job but if Labour has any sense they’ll change it. A fair chunk are losing their seats regardless of what system we have.

    And before anyone says this is to do with Reform, I have long criticised the system regardless of who it benefits and indeed I voted to change it back in 2011.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Kid the latest rant even by your standards is utter drivel , you do like to go about the chagos deal , something the public really have no interest in , direct question , how did Labour create this black hole , I’d really love you to answer a question i ask you , lastly you say Labour have been rejected time and time again , they weren’t last year when the country rejected a Tory party who had lied , partied and fleeced for all it worth , I bet you have shrine to Farage in your living room don’t you

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    Coalitions are the norm, not exceptions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_coalition_governments

    Which indicates, from my reading of the European list, that just Great Britain, Greece and Norway have single-party governments

    #1739081
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    I’ve been told that the person organising the flag flying in the town I drove through is called Singh and he was jailed at one time for six years for attacking a shop worker. A true patriot (?).

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    Massive own goal by the Labour Supporting judge today.
    Final nail in the coffin for this most incompetent government.
    Latest poll for the i gives Reform a 15% lead over Labour.
    Ouch!!

    #1739089
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    It was the Conservatives government that started putting migrants in hotels. Labour have said they will stop doing so but it isn’t something that can be stopped overnight. Where are Reform planning to put migrants…what does it say in their manifesto? Oh silly me it will all end straight away when we get a Reform government. Just like Farages hero Trump was going to end the war in Ukraine.

    #1739094
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    Wilts reform ain’t winning an election , there manifesto is a joke , only right wing loonies like Kid wou!d out a cross against them

    #1739096
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    The problem, HDLG, is that the media is brainwashing more and more people into becoming rightwing loonies.

    #1739098
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    Funny that, I’m old enough to remember the ruling about the trans issues when the word of judges was gospel and couldn’t be questioned. Of course we all know that only applies when they make the ‘correct’ decisions.

    Although in this case it didn’t matter what they said, if it went the other way all you’d have is demands to shut every hotel housing asylum seekers immediately. Not that any of the mob frothing at the mouth have the slightest clue about law. Where would they all go? Anyone care to come up with a better solution that’s actually workable?

    This is exactly what I mean about polls, the i poll quoted by Wilts puts Reform’s lead at about double the Yougov one I mentioned. They can’t both be right and they’ve put it on their front page four bloody years before an election. Absolutely ludicrous, all about shaping opinion, not measuring it. As I said we’re basically living in one giant election campaign now, that’s no way to run a country.

    #1739102
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    “ Of course we all know that only applies when they make the ‘correct’ decisions.”

    Just like “British values”, such as democracy, fairness and freedom, which apparently only apply to the right kind of people.

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    Where would they all go? Anyone care to come up with a better solution that’s actually workable?

    During the Covid pandemic, temporary vaccination centres and nightingale-style wards were built rapidly, which just goes to show that in times of emergency, building infrastructure to deal with that emergency is straightforward, if the will is there

    So, in similar vein, I’d favour the largish-scale building of self-contained out-of-town hostels. No frills other than the basic amenities required for a dignified and healthy existence whilst housed there, awaiting due process.

    No real difference to the accepted tradition of building barracks to house armed forces personnel

    One only has to look at how quickly enormous out-of-town shopping ‘hangars’ are erected to believe it’s quite feasible, certainly within the four years in which the goverment have promised to close asylum hotels.

    And I’d warrant that the cost of building these hostels would be a lot cheaper than the billions currently being spent lining the pockets of hotel owners

    Immigration pressures on Europe from the ‘third world’ are only going to increase, in the shorter term due to conflict, in the longer term due to climate change

    Attempts to ‘stop the boats’ are akin to pissing into a category-5 hurricane

    #1739115
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    Any such accommodation would require 24/7 security, not to prevent people from escaping but to keep the racist yobs out.

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