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They are absolutely clueless.
“£22bn hole in public finances inherited from the last Government” has grown even more with their massive pay awards. This will get worse as other sectors will now demand double digit pay increases or they will strike.
They are hinting The Budget is going to painful for everybody as they have got to fill the piggy-bank somehow.
Taking away winter fuel payments from pensioners is disgraceful. There are a lot of elderly that are on a basic state pension and maybe with a small private pension that, just takes them over the entitlement for Pension Credit. I feel so sorry for these poor souls that are dreading winter.
Interesting article in today’s Telegraph about “Top earners and entrepreneurs leaving the UK”:
So what they should have done Matron is continue with what the Tories did , ignore the strikes , continue with 10 year+ failure to increase pay , you do release if the strikers go back to work then they are paying tax on those earnings , I adore the right trying to pick apart Labour’s plans ….while failing to look in the rear view mirror at the armageddon left by the previous government , if it wasn’t so serious then it would be laughable , this is going to hurt …it has to
The Tories deserved to be voted out – I wouldn’t disagree with your premise.
Yes, the increase those workers received will be eroded away with increased costs on the way.
This Government has back-tracked from the start – they keep wittering-on about that the “deficit” they have inherited from the last Government is far greater than they thought. Absolute nonsense: they would have known this information in advance being leaked to them.
People have short memories with past Labour governments so, put on your seat-belt.
Yes, this is going hurt for all the wrong reasons and with no strong opposition it looks like it is going to be a socialist dictatorship for quite a while.
The OBR kept saying during the election build up that Labour would have to put up taxes on the spending promises they were making. So this is no surprise.
The £22 billion was a lie.
Labour might have got away with saying half, but even £11 billion would be partly down to Labour choices.Value Is Everythingtbh Some sort of change to the Winter Fuel Allowance is imo needed. It should not go to millionaires or even reasonably well off pensioners.
However, when energy prices will be going up at the same time… Labour’s proposal for making payments based on who’s on Pension Credit, Universal Credit and Credit Support is crazy, Setting the bar far too low. Pensioners feel the cold more than the vast majority of us. As things stand people will die because of this policy. If a Conservative Chancellor had come up with this Reeves would’ve been spitting feathers.
There must be a different way of means testing the Winter Fuel payment.
Martin Lewis has suggested: Instead of means testing on “Credit”, do it instead by Council Tax Band. So anyone living in a property of Council Bands A, B and C (possibly D too) will all get the fuel allowance. It’s not perfect but the vast majority of less well off pensioners live in cheaper properties. Sounds a good alternative to me.
Labour cannot be that stupid!!! I predict Labour will change things around before the budget.
Value Is EverythingAs I said it going to be painful , it has to be , anyone who wants to put fault at Labour’s door , Truss 12 billion mini budget , 770 million quid Rwanda stupidity , look at political history , Thatcher did far worse to the country in 79 , she had to , as for the tax band theory , plenty people are stuck in big houses with little cash to hand so that’s not the answer
Point is HDLG, the way Labour is proposing to means test – based on who’s on Pension Credit, Universal Credit and Credit Support – means a lot of pensioners that need help with heating their homes will not get it. The bar will be set too low.
As I said, using Council Tax as a payment guide is not perfect. Some pensioners living in larger properties will slip through the net but it will be far fewer than using the current “Credit”. Because less well off pensioners don’t tend to live in more expensive larger properties… And of those that do, many live with younger relatives anyway… And they’re not “stuck in big houses”; they could move. My own parents had a 5 bedroom house where they had lived for 40+ years and had to down-size in their 70’s – but that’s just normal. ie Pensioners living in bigger houses have alternatives that those living in smaller houses simply do not.
Pensioners who believe they don’t have enough money are going to save money on something.
Cutting back on their food in order to pay for increased heating costs.
Some will just cut back on the electricity and gas to be able to pay for their heating.
Whichever way pensioners cut back in order to pay for this… Unless Labour row back on the way they’re going to do this it won’t just be “painful”, it will be bad for their health and in the worst cases fatal.Come on. If the Conservatives came up with this plan you’d be livid.
Value Is EverythingMy mother is in a fortunate position that she is not short of money and when the allowance was introduced she said I don’t need it they should only give it to people who actually do. Now they are taking it away she is moaning, no pleasing some.
The things I want most in life are the things that I can't win.
Grumpy old men / women syndrome,RTB.
I find it one of the pleasures of getting old… And I am only 58.
Value Is EverythingYes. I’m on the gransnet forum. People on there have said for years that they give the WFP to charity because they don’t need it and are now complaining about its removal. I’ve always been in the not rich but not quite poor enough to qualify for any benefits and I’m ok with it as long as the government reach out to those people who should be claiming pension credit but aren’t. I’ll just hibernate for the winter, which is what me and the dog do anyway. Catchup tv, a duvet and a whippet hot water bottle will do me.
Now the Rwanda policy is no more…
Where is the Labour deterrent to put people off coming over the channel on small boats?
Sadly I can only see more making the crossing until Labour put in a deterrent.
After the numbers making the crossing dropped in 2023… On current statistics it looks like increasing in 2024.The same number died today as in the whole of 2023.
Value Is EverythingGinger they’ve never stopped coming , it wasn’t a deterrent , just a waste of £770 million
There are always going to be some, HDLG.
Point is the numbers fell last year when the Rwanda policy was being negotiated – ie when immigrants thought they were going to be sent to Rwanda numbers fell and probably would’ve kept falling if Rwanda was still there – especially once they started to be deported.
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The deterrent immediately disappeared once the election was announced. Because immigrants knew Labour would win the election. Hence more coming over this year… And that despite worse weather.Labour need a deterrent.
Value Is EverythingWould anyone care to define ‘rich’ and where to you draw the dividing line?
It’s the same with the ‘on the bread line’ and ‘poverty’ …. the definitions are deliberately so vague that the individual can use it in whatever context to define any circumstances they select.The British Welfare system has created more invalids than the first world war
Theodore Dalrymple,author and psychiatrist
Bodrum,Turkey 2012good luck to all
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