A model Whip Rule

[Anonymous]

As people keep saying and you keep ignoring Pinza, the reason why a definate number of strokes has come in is directly because that’s what

jockeys themselves

wanted.

Definite numbers of strokes were already mentioned in the previous guidelines, as you well know. Personally, I was impressed by

Steeplechasing

‘s account of the likely pressures placed on the Jockeys during "seminars", when (anecdotally) they were roundly told that they were lucky to be keeping the whip at all.

If you are asked: "do you want to be allowed 7 strokes, or do you want no whip at all?" how would you answer?

I’m awaiting

Kevin Darley

‘s account of what went on with some interest. Meanwhile, I suggest that neither you, nor I, nor

Kenh

, nor

Steeplechasing

, can know precisely what was said to – or by – the jockeys.

If the jockeys

were

canvassing for a definite number of strokes, then they were foolish to do so. They certainly were

not

canvassing for 15 days ban for 11 strokes and complete loss of riding and winning fees.

[Gingertipster]

If the jockeys

were

canvassing for a definite number of strokes, then they were foolish to do so. They certainly were

not

canvassing for 15 days ban for 11 strokes and complete loss of riding and winning fees.

So what should a jockey who goes over 57% (11 instead of 7) over the allowed number of strokes get as a deterent?
Or to put it another way…
What possible deterrent (for purpotrator or other jockeys) do you suggest would work to discourage/stop jockeys from breaking

these rules

Pinza?

Maybe Kevin Darley prefers a slapped wrist?

Value Is Everything

[Gingertipster]

If you are asked: "do you want to be allowed 7 strokes, or do you want no whip at all?" how would you answer?

7

Although if asked what my ideal would be it is 3 flat, 4 jumps.

Value Is Everything

[Gingertipster]

I repeat

again

the tweet from Paul Struthers.

These will be my last resets on the subject for tonight but: 1.

Jockeys asked for a strict limit

I don’t think Pinza believes anything Paul or anyone else from the BHA says Kenh.
Of course once Kevin D tells us all what was said, that’ll be treated as gospel.

Value Is Everything

[Anonymous]

I repeat

again

the tweet from Paul Struthers.

These will be my last resets on the subject for tonight but: 1.

Jockeys asked for a strict limit

I don’t think Pinza believes anything Paul or anyone else from the BHA says Kenh.

I believe what

Silvoir

is saying entirely, Ginger. He thinks it’s all "

hysteria

" and seeks to make light of it. That’s more worrying than

not

believing him!!

[cormack15]

Twisting what was clearly not Silvoir’s intent to meet your own ends Pinza.

You’d do better to just state your position and leave it at that rather than search endlessly for every possible glint in the rocks which might, or night not, be a nugget for your argument.

[Gingertipster]

I repeat

again

the tweet from Paul Struthers.

These will be my last resets on the subject for tonight but: 1.

Jockeys asked for a strict limit

I don’t think Pinza believes anything Paul or anyone else from the BHA says Kenh.

I believe what

Silvoir

is saying entirely, Ginger. He thinks it’s all "

hysteria

" and seeks to make light of it. That’s more worrying than

not

believing him!!

Just joking Pinza, like Silvoir is trying to make light of a difficult subject.

Paul did tell me yesterday he was (sorry this might not be word perfect) "glad in a way, the first infringement happened before Saturday". Presumably because we can get the hysteria out of the way.

It has indeed seemed like hysteria at times. With these new rules blamed by certain people for everything and anything, and will be the end of the (racing) world as we know it.

Value Is Everything

[graysonscolumn]

the end of the (racing) world as we know it.

…as Michael Stipe nearly once sang.

gc

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

[graysonscolumn]

(or should that be Michael Stipendiary?)

gc

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

[rory]

(or should that be Michael Stipendiary?)

gc

Where’s the "tumbleweed" emoticon?

[graysonscolumn]

I’m here, all weak.

gc

Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

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