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What on earth were Murtagh (not for the first time this season) and O’Donoghue doing? If you backed the second to win and the fourth each-way you have effectively been robbed. Will the Stewards do anything? I very much doubt it. It is about time ‘rides’ like these were treated in the same way as non-triers.
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What on earth were Murtagh (not for the first time this season) and O’Donoghue doing? If you backed the second to win and the fourth each-way you have effectively been robbed. Will the Stewards do anything? I very much doubt it. It is about time ‘rides’ like these were treated in the same way as non-triers.
How predictable of you,
Stilvi
! Why not praise instead the really excellently judged ride from the front which saw the winner first past the post? instead of complaining about two perfectly defensible rides coming from behind?
Everything had a fair chance to get past the leader, and nothing did given the distance raced. The second will be stepped up next time for sure: a promising run but they had too much toe for her this afternoon.
How predictable of you,
Stilvi
! Why not praise instead the really excellently judged ride from the front which saw the winner first past the post? instead of complaining about two perfectly defensible rides coming from behind?
And how predictable of YOU, Pinza, to ignore the valid point the OP makes about the rides in question, in favour being captain contrary clearly for the sake of it. If Stilvi wanted to create a thread praising the winning ride, I think he would have.
The winning ride
was
a canny one, but the rides on second and fourth placed horses were both awful rides from two superb jockeys, I’ll add. They’ll escape punishment from the stewards in Ireland, I’m sure, but the rides were poor enough to be questioned IMO.
The second will be stepped up next time for sure: a promising run but they had too much toe for her this afternoon.
I’d
would
say you need to sharpen up on your race reading, if it wasn’t for knowing your presence in this thread (or any others of the like) merely serve as another chance to exercise this strange agenda of yours.
I think we all know by now that there’s no such thing as a bad ride in your book – that’s now been well established!
Both horses certainly look like ones to follow, but doubt any sort of price will be offered next time up. On another day they’d have taken the first two places in a canter.
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Two perfectly defensible rides? They were absolutely atrocious.
They weren’t great rides, sure: and I’m certain Johnny Murtagh wouldn’t argue so either. But a careful reading of the race shows us why the cards fell as they did, for both those beaten horses. And hindsight is a wonderful thing. "Atrocious" is an unreasonably harsh description.
And in any case the main reason I rose to the initial poster’s bait was to counter his/her ludicrous proposition that rides below a certain subjective quality
("The Stilvi Standard"?)
should be penalised, as if they were non-triers. It would be nice to hear some praise for the intelligence of the winning rider instead of these eternal brickbats hurled at the losers.
Is it possible both rides were made to look worse than they were by the (eventual) 3rd and 5th horses tiring? Anyway, in my opinion Kirinda is a headcase and the way she was ridden gave her the best chance of winning the race. It was just unlucky that the winner ran on really well. Anyway, that’s just my opinion and can see why some would disagree but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kirinda proves in time to be a total screw.
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Is it possible both rides were made to look worse than they were by the (eventual) 3rd and 5th horses tiring? Anyway, in my opinion Kirinda is a headcase and the way she was ridden gave her the best chance of winning the race. It was just unlucky that the winner ran on really well. Anyway, that’s just my opinion and can see why some would disagree but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kirinda proves in time to be a total screw.
I think you’re spot on
Kickback
in your analysis of the fading 3rd and 5th. We tend to perceive that a horse is finishing fast, when in reality it is those around it which are slowing – and that’s why the perception of
Kirinda
‘s finish was so negative yesterday.
Personally, I agree that the way she was ridden gave her the best chance of winning (although it didn’t come off, due to some interference as Murtagh was trying to make his run, and the excellent judgement of pace from the winning jockey). I also believe she’d be seen to better advantage over further. But if she runs that way again over 10 or 12 furlongs, then it may be that your psychological explanation holds good!
Pinza, I don’t know if it just amuses you to put the opposite point of view but if you really believe what you have posted on this thread you really are a lost cause.
There are two main reasons why I tend not to highlight winning rides, I believe jockeys lose far more races than they actually do anything out of the ordinary to win and more importantly the Racing press is already dripping with praise. You often have to read between the lines to find some feint criticism. As far as I am concerned amongst other things Forums such as this are here to provide some much needed balance.
I watched that race as Kirinda’s breeding really interested me , and yep she is a nut case , would not surprise me if she never won a race, certainly will have to be a Murtagh finesse special
To suggest jiggery pokery is a load of bullocks , cmon lads you are better than this , can anyone imagine for one moment that one of the Aga Khan ‘s horses would be pulled , NO way …..please wise up before posting complete tosh
cheers
Ricky
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Pinza, I don’t know if it just amuses you to put the opposite point of view but if you really believe what you have posted on this thread you really are a lost cause.
In this particular case if I’m a "lost cause", then so are 50% of the posters to this thread!
I’ve nowhere claimed that
Kirinda
received a good ride, either; though given the way the race panned out (and her demeanour) I don’t suppose Murtagh will be quaking in his shoes over your critique of his effort.
What I have done is to express an opinion about your idea that such rides should be penalised in the same way as non-triers. I found that suggestion completely wacky, and see no reason to change my mind.
I hear what you say about your efforts
pro bono publico
in bringing dicey rides to book. Of course that’s fine: but should you not perhaps try to be more sure of your ground (as
Ricky
has more pithily put it!) in choosing your targets? You might recall the story of the boy who cried
wolf
.
To suggest jiggery pokery is a load of bullocks , cmon lads you are better than this , can anyone imagine for one moment that one of the Aga Khan ‘s horses would be pulled , NO way …..please wise up before posting complete tosh
Nobody has suggested either horse was ‘pulled’, Ricky.
Stilvi suggested it was about time rides like that were ‘
treated
the same way as non-triers’. Try giving the
reading
part your all next time!
Steal , its the implication I was referring to , if your too crass or plain stupid , then its not entirely my fault …..
Try and understand plain english before you get humpy with me Sir …it could be a career limiting event
Now go back to your train set , all will be well , mummy will make your favourite tea cakes soon…….
Ricky
I watched that race as Kirinda’s breeding really interested me , and yep she is a nut case , would not surprise me if she never won a race, certainly will have to be a Murtagh finesse special
To suggest jiggery pokery is a load of bullocks , cmon lads you are better than this , can anyone imagine for one moment that one of the Aga Khan ‘s horses would be pulled , NO way …..please wise up before posting complete tosh
cheers
Ricky
A few weeks ago Alan Sweetman (not exactly prone to criticism) devoted virtually the whole of his column to the running and riding of Alanza. Owned by the Aga Khan and ridden by Murtagh. You seem to be implying that a big owner can do exactly what he/she likes at the punter’s expense – now that really is tosh.
By the way I think you will find Kirinda has already won a race and beaten the winner of Sunday’s race.
I watched that race as Kirinda’s breeding really interested me , and yep she is a nut case , would not surprise me if she never won a race, certainly will have to be a Murtagh finesse special
To suggest jiggery pokery is a load of bullocks , cmon lads you are better than this , can anyone imagine for one moment that one of the Aga Khan ‘s horses would be pulled , NO way …..please wise up before posting complete tosh
cheers
Ricky
A few weeks ago Alan Sweetman (not exactly prone to criticism) devoted virtually the whole of his column to the running and riding of Alanza. Owned by the Aga Khan and ridden by Murtagh. You seem to be implying that a big owner can do exactly what he/she likes at the punter’s expense – now that really is tosh.
By the way I think you will find Kirinda has already won a race and beaten the winner of Sunday’s race.
Actually I thought they could.
Are we the punters helping in anyway the upkeep of the animal, training fees, vets fees and the 101 other things a owner has to pay. I think not
If worst came to worst we the punters can back something else, and probably do.
I think our money begins and stops with the bookmaker and only those visiting the course, and owners actually help racing the rest are like leeches.
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Well said, sir!
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